Wale On New Album, The Industry, Evolving His Sound, Proving Himself & MORE❗️| Effective Immediately

[00:00:04] Speaker A: Yo, it's effective immediately. I'm DJ Head. [00:00:06] Speaker B: It's your favorite homie. [00:00:08] Speaker A: Hey, listen, we. We are here. Gina Views is speechless at the moment. We've been waiting on this conversation for a very long time. Somebody that has a lot. We have a lot of mutual respect for each other and somebody that I've been waiting to have on my show. Wale is here. [00:00:23] Speaker C: What's up, yo? [00:00:23] Speaker A: Yes, sir, man. Thank you for being here. [00:00:25] Speaker C: Thank you. [00:00:26] Speaker A: Silent Clap. You know what I'm saying? Thanks for pulling up, bro. Like, you've been. You. You are one of them. Them rappers. And I'm pretty sure once Gina Views gathered herself, you're one of those rappers. You like the rapper's rapper. And I think. I don't know if you take that as a badge of honor or some niggas don't like that shit, but that's just the truth. [00:00:46] Speaker C: Like, I wish. I mean, I don't know if I really am. [00:00:48] Speaker A: Yes, you are. [00:00:49] Speaker C: I mean. [00:00:51] Speaker A: You'Re one of the. Let me, let me finish. You're one of the rappers that the rappers have conversations about even when they don't publicly say it. [00:01:00] Speaker C: Oh, okay. [00:01:00] Speaker A: If that makes sense. [00:01:02] Speaker C: Yeah, that makes sense. [00:01:03] Speaker A: Okay. [00:01:03] Speaker C: I never thought it was like that. Yeah, I kind of look at myself like, you know, I would like to be a rapper's rapper. That'd be if. I would like to believe that. But I don't know why you don't believe that. I think it's a little polarizing. I think some people think that I'm like a one trick pony, you know what I'm saying? Some people know what I do, some people don't. Some people ask what I do. [00:01:23] Speaker A: What do you mean, don't. One trick. Like, you, like, you don't. [00:01:25] Speaker C: I can, like, I can't do multiple different styles of music or types of music, you know what I'm saying? Like, or like. Or they don't see the artistry into the music or don't take the time to. They see the surface level things and be like, that's what you are. Yeah, I think I get that a lot too, so I can see that. [00:01:42] Speaker A: So. So do you not look at it like. Like who? Okay, give me somebody else. Who you would look at as a rapper's rapper. [00:01:49] Speaker C: Um, shoot. Who would you put that like a rapper's rapper? [00:01:58] Speaker A: I think like, somebody like Common would be like a rapper's rapper. Like, Common don't get the accolades and the praise and all that, but, like, niggas know, like, comic and rap. You Know what I'm saying? It'd be that type of shit. [00:02:10] Speaker C: Well, there's a big producer that we know very well. I was like, man, I really gotta get some stuff off my guy. Send me a joint, send me a pack. And I ain't. I ain't hear from him. So I'm like, damn, you called him. I hit him a couple times. But I was like, damn. Like, do people think because I got. I've had successful mainstream records that I can't do this? [00:02:31] Speaker A: Yes. [00:02:32] Speaker C: I can't do a whole project with. You know what I'm saying? So that's one of the things that always throw me off. And so sometimes I just got to just, you know, I do. I still believe in freestyle and, like, dropping other people beats and all that other stuff. You know what I'm saying? But, like, you know, I think a lot of people get it twisted and, like, they think I'm just gonna do songs with usher, like, for 15 songs on the album, you know what I'm saying? So, you know, but it's nice to hear that some people might think I'm. [00:02:59] Speaker A: A rapper's rapper, so they definitely do. She want to say something? [00:03:07] Speaker C: Go ahead. [00:03:08] Speaker A: She can't talk. [00:03:09] Speaker B: Quit doing that. [00:03:10] Speaker A: Okay, go ahead. [00:03:13] Speaker B: Just finish. [00:03:14] Speaker A: Just pick up anyway. [00:03:16] Speaker B: You just me up. [00:03:18] Speaker A: So where to start is a song. We. We up here playing. Playing the. Out of that. [00:03:22] Speaker C: Thank you, man. [00:03:24] Speaker A: I want to go back, though, to Blanco. [00:03:27] Speaker C: Yep. [00:03:28] Speaker A: We had this whole debate, like, me and her, we was in here trying to, like. I also shout to Jeremy Hecht. We were trying to break it down. Like, is he talking about a girl? Is he talking about liquor? Is he an alcoholic? Like, what the fuck is going on? Right? And I think the most. I think the most compelling rap records is when it's that conversation, and that's the goal. [00:03:46] Speaker C: That was the number when I made it, I'm like, all right, cool. I'm on Def Jam, you know, I'm standing by myself, like, for the first time, like, since I first got signed. So, like, I'm like, I could really show all my artistry. So I was like, let me. I wanted to do a blues song, and, you know, the joint is. You know what I'm saying? Like, even, like, the first verse, I'm talking about, like, Reposado and Blanco, like, and if you get too mixy, like, mixing it, I gotta kick you out. [00:04:10] Speaker A: I'm gonna throw up. [00:04:10] Speaker C: I mean, I gotta throw up, like, you know what I'm saying? And it's really, like, a coping mechanism. Like, navigating through the industry as a single male, you know, with a child, with still with the dreams that I started with. I still have goals that I want to achieve, and I still have. Feel like I have stuff to prove with to myself, with my industry, with my family, with my city. I still have these things I'm trying to. But it's like, I don't know where I belong in this environment. Like, there's no community for real, for nobody. There's no community for a nigga like me who, like, who is not from New York, not from Chicago, not from Atlanta, not from la. In an industry that's, like, dominated by people from these places, relationships from these places. I've been kind of like an outsider, but it's like, you know, I catch myself in these places, in the sprinter bunch of people that's like, whatever. They don't know what they're not really. They not. They might not have the goals that I have and stuff like that, but I'm in these places and I'm just thinking and reflecting. So, you know, and then, you know, the second verse is just like, you know, having, you know, making good money, having nice cribs and cars and everything. But your mother is asking you, like, how are you living your life? Like, what are you doing? You know? So it's just really about, like, maneuvering through the industry, how it is now, you know what I'm saying? And, like, doing so, like, essentially by myself. Cause it's. You know, when you start off, you come in this joint, you go to clubs, you got like 50 people with you. You know, like four albums in is like 10, you know, eight albums in. Like you probably did with your strap and your security guard or a knife and security guard. Just trying to get your. Trying to get your shit off, get. Do your hosting and roll out, like, you know what I'm saying? So it's just like, you know, the nature of the business is like, I'm still trying to do what I'm trying to do, but I'm definitely leaning on stuff to get through sometimes. [00:06:13] Speaker B: So we was wrong. [00:06:14] Speaker C: Yeah, it ain't no girl. Mm. Mm. You know, girls, we had a whole. [00:06:19] Speaker A: Debate about muses, too. Like, is muses a word? [00:06:23] Speaker C: It's like muses in plural. Is it. I don't know. [00:06:26] Speaker A: I was plural. The people told me I was wrong. Muses, plural. The way she used it is correct. Muses, like, who's your muse? Or muses. [00:06:34] Speaker C: Okay. Right. [00:06:35] Speaker B: I have a strong appreciation for your muses. I don't Know if you have muses. [00:06:42] Speaker C: I don't know if it's multiple, but there's been some. There's been some of them just like, you know, just some, some, some. There's been some. And it's like, you know, sometimes it's really. It comes from like a movie or like somebody that I'm like, you know, I'm just trying to envision situation, but, you know, there's. There's a lot of real, real, real, you know, joints. Like, you know, like, even if I'm. It's about somebody that's not real, there'll be a lot of real situations that have happened, especially on the album, man. Like, like, I. I talk about like, abandonment issues and dating and stuff like that. And like, you know what I'm saying? Like, you know, co parenting, like, you know, you know, like, so there's gonna be real topics, like, real music, but, like, they don't all have one. Like, I'm not like a big womanizer that's like stacking up music all over the country. [00:07:34] Speaker B: What about where to start? Is that the song? Cause you tweeted that you have some forever inspired songs. Is that one of them? [00:07:42] Speaker C: Oh, yeah, yeah, absolutely. That was like, when I was like, I'm going to do that. That's when maybe like a day, like a little while after that. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. [00:07:52] Speaker B: So that's just Keisha and Justin. [00:07:53] Speaker C: That's not yours. No, no, no. You find your reality. You find your. How it pertains to. [00:07:57] Speaker A: You find your reality. [00:07:58] Speaker C: Yeah, you find your reality in it. Like, I mean, I ain't in the bed, like, sad for multiple days off a breakup, but, like, I know that feeling, you know what I'm saying? So there's. That can inspire, you know what I'm saying? And, like, the newness. The newness of it is. The newness is a beautiful thing. Like, just like, you know, the honeymoon phase or whatever, like, the goal is to have. Find you somebody that you can maintain that honeymoon phase for a long time. I mean, it ebbs and flows, but, like, if you can keep that feeling, you know what I'm saying? That's the goal. I feel like that's the goal in all of love. I found some music here and there for some songs. [00:08:34] Speaker B: Do you ever make it off the honeymoon stage? [00:08:36] Speaker C: Yeah. Yep. [00:08:38] Speaker B: I got a list of songs. [00:08:40] Speaker C: Okay. [00:08:41] Speaker B: That way. Where to start? Play a part The One Time in Houston the Matrimony Sabotage Bad Cool Off Angles It's Complicated Let Go On Chill. [00:08:50] Speaker C: Break My Heart okay. [00:08:52] Speaker B: Those are all, like, situationships. [00:08:55] Speaker C: Wow. I mean, he said, wow, man. Like, to put it like, that is actually kind of interesting. Cause, you know, when I write, it's just, like, I just lock in and focus on that, and I don't even see how, like, you just kind of made like, a whole, like, universe of songs. You know what I'm saying? Like, nah. Like, almost like a movie. Like, you can make all them joints, like, sabotage and Cool Off. Like, Cool off is a sneaky one. Cause that's me and Janae Aiko, and, like, that joint is literally just about, like, calming down. Like, like calming down. Like, and that's, like, what, like, 10 years old. It was like, dang. I'm like, damn. I could have used that, like, a couple months ago in this argument. I had, like, my own joint. My own joint could have. Yeah. Nah, that's. That's. That's. That's a great list, though. [00:09:42] Speaker A: Use your own lyrics in an argument is probably. It's very to hear. [00:09:45] Speaker C: No, I should have heard, like, take my own advice. Take a second to cool off. [00:09:49] Speaker A: Like, can you imagine being an argument with a nigga? He be like, like I said on the record. [00:09:52] Speaker B: No, somebody. So. So I've had a situation where a guy. We were watching the video, Matrimony, and we was arguing, but the video came on, and he stopped me and said this how I feel. I stopped fucking with him. [00:10:08] Speaker C: Damn. Not cause of that, though. Cause something else. [00:10:11] Speaker B: Cause I'm like, oh, you just gaslighting. It's bullshit. Like, you gonna use this? Well, using you on me is crazy. That's number one. The number two, it was just bullshit. Cause you're not trying to marry me. You don't want nothing serious. [00:10:21] Speaker C: How? You know? [00:10:22] Speaker B: Because he had a. Some bullshit going on. [00:10:25] Speaker C: I mean, if he said that, then he probably definitely had that in his plans, right? [00:10:30] Speaker B: No, no, he didn't have that in his plans. [00:10:33] Speaker C: Okay. [00:10:33] Speaker B: He just had two kids. [00:10:35] Speaker C: Okay, well. Oh, I mean, it still don't mean. It still don't mean it's not in the plans, but that, you know, to your. I get it. I get it. [00:10:43] Speaker B: Do you use your own lyrics against me? [00:10:46] Speaker C: I don't really. I don't. [00:10:48] Speaker B: Has somebody used your lyrics to get you? [00:10:49] Speaker C: No. To be honest, like, I don't know if they're great at pretending, but, like, most. Last few, like, relationships I've been in, they ain't been, like, super fans. They, like, know some stuff. They, like. Yeah, you know? [00:11:02] Speaker B: They know. [00:11:03] Speaker C: Yeah. I mean. Yeah, I think so. I hope so. [00:11:05] Speaker A: But they familiar with me. [00:11:08] Speaker C: Yeah, but they don't be like, you know what I'm saying? They don't be like, oh, and you say da, da, da. And you like they. And then I don't. Like, I ain't about to be in the car playing my music like, you know what I'm saying? Sometimes they retroactively go deep dive and be like, you know what I'm saying? [00:11:20] Speaker A: This is about me. [00:11:21] Speaker C: Yeah, who's this? Who's this about like, whatever. But it don't be like that. For real. You'd be surprised. Like with musicians, actresses, like all type people that whip, you know, they be busy, they have their own stuff going on. Like they don't be like fan fans. I feel that, you know, we live in a bubble that's super hip hop. Like, you know what I'm saying? Outside, outside it's like wrestling. Like there's the bubble. Like, you know, we all know what's going on. You know, the politics. People from the outside, like, they know what's on the radio. Yeah. And they would know what's on their Pandora. [00:11:53] Speaker A: It's very passive. [00:11:54] Speaker C: Yeah. So it's like, you know, like outside this little bubble that we got that we live in, you know, they probably not going to know like a cool off or like something that ain't on DSPs or that didn't make Billboard, you know, saying. [00:12:06] Speaker B: But are they fans of your music at all? [00:12:10] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They ain't like, oh no, no, none of that. My baby mother probably don't like my music no more. [00:12:17] Speaker A: I can see that. I can see that. [00:12:21] Speaker C: She's great though. But she, she's. She actually, I think she got married recently, actually. [00:12:27] Speaker B: You think you got a song about that? [00:12:28] Speaker C: I mentioned it at the beginning of the album, this album. But I said I changed the line. Cause you know, when I wrote it, you know, she wasn't. I don't even know if she was dating. So I had it for a long time, but I changed it, you know. Cause I don't. I'm one of them people. Like, I don't care what's going on. We could be arguing, whatever. [00:12:46] Speaker B: You spoke this into existence. Cause you said my ex before you married, so she's solo. I say solo. [00:12:50] Speaker C: Oh no, that was a whole nother. That was a whole something completely different. But you know, she, you know, she is. And her husband or fiance, he cool. And it's like I'm learning, like, dang, like, damn, I never envisioned my life like this. But like, you know, like it's life like, you know what I'm saying? It's like those are the things that I'm like, all right, I'm gonna stop. Like, I mean, not, you know, normalize it. Like normalize. Not like being at odds with the. You know what I'm saying? Like normalize moving on and co parenting and all that other stuff. [00:13:19] Speaker B: I feel that you want to get married. [00:13:22] Speaker C: I think I used to be like, hell nah, man. Cause like just being on the road, you see so many things that's like, oh no. Like, you know, married woman acting like certain way at the meet and greets or the club. Like, it's just. I just. I'm like, eh. But I'm starting to. You know, my brother just got married, my cousin got married. Like it's around me now, so I'm like, It's kind of like. Cause like I, you know, I ain't. I ain't been to too many ways, like, you know what I'm saying? But I'm lying to be like, you know what? [00:13:56] Speaker A: It's under consideration. [00:13:58] Speaker C: I just think like to be as great as I want to be, I can't do it by myself, you know what I'm saying? Like, I need somebody who's passionate about something. So them days that I wake up, I don't feel as passionate about mine. I could see them do they thing and it just remind me to find my passion, you know what I'm saying? Stuff like that, you know, my values has changed over the years, so I think I could see myself. But you know, like, that absolute trust is. I'm trying to have a breakthrough with that and learn to like, trust. Absolutely. You know? Cause like shit, we in the music industry, like this backdoor. This is the second most backdoor thing in the industry that's out is music. [00:14:38] Speaker A: What's the first? [00:14:41] Speaker C: The Streets. Like. No, this is the second most backdoor thing. And maybe like them stocks and bonds guys, they do they thing too, but like, this is the thing. So like cutthroat. Learning to trust while being a product of the music business, you know, and try to learn somebody and try to put your whole vulnerability and lower your guard. Like, that's tricky where to start sounds. [00:15:05] Speaker B: Like you were almost done or considered being done with love or relationship. [00:15:10] Speaker C: Yeah, for sure. I was like, in a sense of like lowering it, like allowing yourself to be like vulnerable. I was like, man, off that. Like, it's just too much of it. Like it affects me too much when it don't go right. You know what I'M saying, like, when somebody has that power and it's like, nah, let me just keep everything, like, at bay and like, keep everything casual. But yeah, I was for a while. Do you consider you be like, in love? Love. [00:15:39] Speaker B: I've been love bomber. [00:15:43] Speaker C: I think that's a new term. But I think, you know, with social media being so instant grat, I think love bombing is everywhere. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, it's almost a norm. But I don't think I love bomb. Cause I don't, like, I don't be. I don't, like, I don't be tricking like that. I think trigger. I don't be tricking. I don't do that. [00:16:04] Speaker B: Like, I don't know if tricking and love bombing the same thing. [00:16:06] Speaker C: I mean, what do you do if you love bombing you doing? Well, I guess it depends on what your love language is. You be triggering. [00:16:12] Speaker B: Don't be triggering. [00:16:13] Speaker C: No, no, no. Cause I'm just. I just feel like that's all they gonna see me as. I like to think I got way too much to offer than that. Like, people that do that, that's them. But I'm like, okay, I get it. Cause you can't read. You know what I'm saying? Or you can't hold a conversation. [00:16:26] Speaker A: So, like, you can't read. [00:16:27] Speaker C: Come on, you know. You know. You notice that direct correlation? [00:16:31] Speaker A: Nigga bought you a purse. Cause you can't read. Cause he can't read. [00:16:33] Speaker C: He can't read. He can't. [00:16:34] Speaker B: Cause he don't know how to. [00:16:36] Speaker C: He can't write. [00:16:36] Speaker B: There's no character. There's no personality. He. [00:16:38] Speaker C: He can't speak to your soul. He can't see you. He can't see you. Like, okay, like, work is disturbing you. Like, I can tell how you are when you leave the house. I can tell how frustrated you are. I can tell, like, he can't speak to you like that. So he's like, oh, okay, back. You know what I'm saying? And I'm gonna take it back. When we break up, I like to say, like, if I'm interested, I'm into my, like, speak life into each other. Like, you know, I ain't perfect. I'm far from perfect. Like, you know, and nobody's perfect. So I try to off of that. If I don't like them that much, there's not even no point of like, really kicking it on a consistent basis. Yeah. [00:17:13] Speaker A: Do you. [00:17:13] Speaker C: I get irritated quick but easily. [00:17:16] Speaker A: I hadn't noticed. Do you know Virgo do you know why you have such a short fuse? [00:17:25] Speaker C: See fuse sound like you about to hit somebody. Like. [00:17:27] Speaker A: No, not. [00:17:28] Speaker C: I don't. It's a metaphor. You say short fuse and it's including a female at that. [00:17:32] Speaker A: No, no, no, not with the women. You said people. You said you'd be having a bad attitude sometimes, right? Or you. You said something similar to that. [00:17:39] Speaker C: See, bad attitude and short fuse. That's not what I said. But I don't remember what I said. But I didn't. [00:17:43] Speaker A: I'm trying to gather what. What do you say? [00:17:44] Speaker C: It was something I said. [00:17:46] Speaker A: We both can't remember. [00:17:47] Speaker C: I get irritated. [00:17:48] Speaker A: You get irritated? [00:17:48] Speaker C: Yeah, I get irritated. [00:17:49] Speaker A: Do you know why your. You get irritated swiftly. [00:17:52] Speaker C: What's the question? I don't think I get irritated quick because, like, I just don't like, like, I like, I'm. I feel like I greet everybody with. Treat everybody with respect, you know what I'm saying? I'm not. I don't be out here trying to disrespect niggas. I don't be out here being rude. I'm very shy. Like, I don't really like. Really I'm shy, bruh. Any nigga that come in here and wear shades, don't let them tell you no different. That's the thing. [00:18:15] Speaker A: Oh, that's not just some cool shit. [00:18:17] Speaker C: Nah, man. Like, I just don't be. Take me a while to warm up, you know what I'm saying? So it's like, that makes a lot of sense. [00:18:25] Speaker A: So that's the same thing as niggas can't read like you over here. And then you fake it out with this. [00:18:30] Speaker C: Well, nah. Well, in theory, but I know I'm shy. So it's like some people take that as arrogance. Like, oh, like, you know, like a stranger come up to me and like, I just be like, you know what I'm saying? Like, I'm not. We not having the same experience. You know what I'm saying? So people be like, oh, he's mean. And I'm just like, I don't. [00:18:53] Speaker A: I have heard that. If I'm being honest with you. [00:18:55] Speaker C: I don't be knowing what this. I don't be like, I'm not a kiki like, nigga. Like, I don't. [00:19:00] Speaker B: I didn't get that when we met though. [00:19:01] Speaker C: Huh? [00:19:02] Speaker B: I didn't get that when we met. Where wwe. [00:19:05] Speaker C: I was saying because I think maybe I was drunk. Like, that should be helping. [00:19:10] Speaker B: We need to go to the sixth floor and get you a shot. [00:19:12] Speaker C: That. That should Be that should be helping me when I'm not drunk. But, like, you know what I'm saying? [00:19:16] Speaker A: I had a little something. [00:19:17] Speaker C: Yeah. Like, yeah. Cause you got. I mean, bro. Cause otherwise, everybody gonna be like, what's wrong with him? Is he okay? And I'm like, bro. I just be like, you know, Or I might go to the video, and it's a rack of girls. And I'm like, hey, hey, y'. All. And like, we don't speak until then, like. And it's like, oh. He's like, what you mean? What, you angry or something? No, I'm just not. I was in my room playing the switch. Like, I'm chilling. Like, I'm not. We don't. We probably never gonna see each other after the day. We just. Let's work hard, do our shit. [00:19:40] Speaker B: Do you shoot your shot? [00:19:42] Speaker C: If it's. If it's. You know, if it's the right time, right person. [00:19:47] Speaker B: Have you. Have somebody shot their shot at you and landed? [00:19:53] Speaker C: Damn. I don't think so. Well, yeah, a couple times, but, like, it ain't really going away, but yeah. [00:20:00] Speaker B: How do you receive, like, a female shooting a shot at you? [00:20:03] Speaker C: It's 2025, man. [00:20:07] Speaker A: I' ma start using that. [00:20:08] Speaker C: It's not like, every answer, it's 2025. It's not like she proposed. She just proposed the question. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? [00:20:14] Speaker A: I'm using that. I swear. [00:20:18] Speaker C: I don't think it's tacky. You know what I'm saying? I don't actually, like, you know, if you want to do it, do it. [00:20:24] Speaker A: I feel that. [00:20:25] Speaker C: At least you know what you want. [00:20:27] Speaker A: I feel that. [00:20:28] Speaker C: And then we can get all the other stuff out the way. Like, are you gonna ask me for a bag? Cause you heard that's what rappers do. You know what I'm saying? Like, what's up? You know who sent you? [00:20:38] Speaker A: That's paranoia, kind of. [00:20:39] Speaker C: Of course. [00:20:40] Speaker B: You been asked for a lot of bags? [00:20:41] Speaker C: No, I see. It's like, it's a part of the. It's unfortunately part of the culture now. I was asked, like, once. [00:20:48] Speaker A: That's crazy. [00:20:49] Speaker C: Did you get it? Nope. [00:20:50] Speaker A: Nah, he probably blocked her. [00:20:51] Speaker C: Nah, she gets. She engaged now. This amount, I guess she got her bags. [00:20:57] Speaker B: Not all your exes engaged. [00:20:58] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:20:59] Speaker A: So you run, like, a boot camp, like, and you get them ready. [00:21:01] Speaker C: Good luck, Chuck. [00:21:02] Speaker A: Training them, getting ready for the next day. [00:21:05] Speaker C: I'm like, the good luck. [00:21:05] Speaker A: I see the women crawling through barbed wire and shit. I'm running Wale program right now for. [00:21:11] Speaker C: Lauren Boot camp, had a baby, like, two months after we broke up, she. [00:21:15] Speaker A: Damn. [00:21:15] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:21:16] Speaker A: Wait, gave birth to a baby two months after. [00:21:19] Speaker C: No, didn't give. I know what you trying to say, but no, I was like, wait, what you mean? She started dating quickly and then got pregnant? Yeah, yeah. We wasn't together, but I'm like, you know, we still talk, but whatever. [00:21:32] Speaker A: Y' all was cool. [00:21:33] Speaker C: Life. Yeah, life. But again, that molded me to be the person. I get it. I get. [00:21:38] Speaker A: So in your music, I would say there's. I would say there's probably. Nah, actually, it's just two of y'. [00:21:46] Speaker C: All. [00:21:47] Speaker A: If I'm being. I think we talked about this on the radio. It's two of y' all who talk to women where you say you could say anything and the girls just be speechless. Right. [00:21:57] Speaker B: Why you do that, though? [00:21:58] Speaker C: I don't think so. I don't think I can say anything, so. I don't think I can say anything. Oh, no, you're lying. No, no. [00:22:05] Speaker A: Hey, bro, let me tell you something. It's you and Drake, y', all, the two niggas that say just. You just say something, and the girls like, the girl. [00:22:13] Speaker C: Did you hear what he said? Nah. Cause it's thought, though. This thought put into that. [00:22:17] Speaker A: I'm not saying there's no thought on your. [00:22:19] Speaker C: I can't just be like, yo, like, hey, like, it's. It's 8 o'. Clock. I'm pulling up. What's up? Like, you know what I'm saying? They gonna be like, nah, it don't work like that. [00:22:26] Speaker A: Like, how much on the back. [00:22:28] Speaker B: You gotta say it the way you be saying it. [00:22:29] Speaker A: I'm telling you, fool. [00:22:30] Speaker C: Listen, bro, I play your music the way you say she said. And I think that's the thing. I think there's something that resonates with people that know, like, oh, there was thought put into this. There was some type of effort put into this. [00:22:44] Speaker A: It's the. No. [00:22:45] Speaker C: Even with where to start. There's no, like. There's no part. There's no, like, ooh, this my part. It's just like, lyrics, like, literally, like, lyrics that's like, bro, disarming. You know? Like, even when it's the slight uncomfortable parts, like, it's like. It's just really honest. You know what I'm saying? [00:23:01] Speaker A: It's sentiment, bro. Yeah, it's a lot. It's sentiment. And the thing is. Cause she. She be trying to coach me because she say I say stupid shit to women, right? [00:23:09] Speaker C: You do what she be saying stupid. [00:23:11] Speaker A: I Say, I just say honest things, but I use different words than other. [00:23:14] Speaker C: People talking to the women. Like you be talking to some of these rap niggas sometimes. [00:23:17] Speaker B: No, no, tell him the way you ask for pussy. [00:23:20] Speaker A: Would you like to engage in coitus? [00:23:22] Speaker C: Quitus? Yeah, they need a thesaurus. [00:23:26] Speaker B: You see what I'm saying? [00:23:28] Speaker C: See, I can't say coitus. And they going, they ain't going to stay. [00:23:31] Speaker B: Tell them the way you asked the girl in the DM to dinner. [00:23:34] Speaker A: Would you like to. Would you like to go eat simultaneously in the same environment? [00:23:39] Speaker C: See, it sound like you trolling her for. [00:23:40] Speaker B: And he don't call them dates, he call them business meetings. [00:23:42] Speaker C: That's the business meeting. It's not like you troll. Sound like you control. I mean, it's like you're trolling them a little bit. [00:23:47] Speaker A: It's not. [00:23:47] Speaker C: Would you like to? Is already like, would you like to? [00:23:52] Speaker A: Would I like what? [00:23:53] Speaker C: Would you like to Sounds like. It already sounds like stupid. Not stupid, but it sounds. It sounds like it's in a novel or something. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, would you like to perhaps. [00:24:04] Speaker A: So give me the wale translation. Like, if I'm gonna say something that I've said to a woman and you translated how you would say it in a rap. [00:24:11] Speaker C: I don't have game now. [00:24:12] Speaker A: That's Cap. [00:24:13] Speaker C: It's not game. [00:24:14] Speaker B: Not game. Just how you just like, what's up? [00:24:16] Speaker C: That's a lot of pressure, but we could try. [00:24:18] Speaker A: Okay, so I said quaitis. No, I said. I said to her, I said, you stimulate my amygdala because your face is aesthetically pleasing, Right? [00:24:30] Speaker C: There's a lot of syllables. A lot of syllables. [00:24:33] Speaker A: That's what I said. Now how would you say it? [00:24:37] Speaker C: I would have simplified it. Like, something about you make me feel alive. Like, oh, shit. [00:24:41] Speaker A: See what I'm saying, bro? [00:24:45] Speaker C: Look. [00:24:45] Speaker A: Look at tongue all out. [00:24:49] Speaker C: Nah. But no, she's just like, you know, that's some bullshit. [00:24:53] Speaker B: He said something about you make me feel alive. [00:24:56] Speaker A: That's some bullshit. [00:24:56] Speaker C: I know you said stimulate. So it's like boom. Okay, Boom. [00:24:59] Speaker A: This is some bullshit. [00:25:00] Speaker C: Sometimes stimulate. The word stimulate. Sometimes the word stimulate could be aggressive. You know what I'm saying? Like, you know, stimulate. [00:25:07] Speaker A: But that's not Cap. [00:25:08] Speaker C: It's not. [00:25:09] Speaker A: If you something, say it again. Something. What? [00:25:11] Speaker C: Something about, like, something about you made me feel alive. [00:25:13] Speaker A: But how, though? [00:25:14] Speaker C: Yo, so now you just said it. [00:25:15] Speaker A: Your molecules are keeping you alive, not her. [00:25:17] Speaker C: Then she says, how. [00:25:18] Speaker B: See how he dirty? That's that dirty. [00:25:20] Speaker A: Mac, that's not dirty. Mac. And I'm just. I'm disputing what he said with science. [00:25:23] Speaker B: Disputing his dirty maggots. [00:25:25] Speaker C: But you said. You stimulate me. [00:25:28] Speaker A: You stimulate my amygdala. It's a part of my brain that controls attraction and fight or flights. Right. [00:25:32] Speaker C: Okay. [00:25:33] Speaker A: And then I said, because your face is aesthetically pleasing. [00:25:35] Speaker C: Okay, you wanna say that she's pretty, but she probably heard that before. And you can go into that. But you say something about you make me feel alive. You talking about her looks. But then she's gonna say, what about it? And like, well, you know. [00:25:48] Speaker A: But it don't make me feel alive. So that's why it's catchy. [00:25:50] Speaker C: It's a static. What you mean it? Stimulate. You're stimulated. Stimulation means. Yeah, stimulation make you feel alive. [00:25:57] Speaker B: Give them another one. [00:25:57] Speaker C: If somebody shock you with something, you're like, what do they do when they're money on the table? Stimulate. Something about you make me feel alive. I'm feeling things. [00:26:05] Speaker A: Okay. I'll give you that one. [00:26:07] Speaker B: I'll concede it was already default, though. [00:26:12] Speaker C: Calmigula got her. Like, she's like, all right. Like, I don't know what you're saying. You're confusing me. [00:26:17] Speaker B: I don't like when I got a copy and paste. Something to chat. GPT. Okay, give them another one. [00:26:23] Speaker A: Something I said. I said, oh, kind of what I said earlier. I said, let's. Let's go eat simultaneously. The same environment. And I said, well, I gotta eat, so you might as well be there. [00:26:34] Speaker C: That. That. The la. The ladder. The ladder works, right? I gotta eat. So you. So you might as well come with me. That's fun. That's playful, right? [00:26:43] Speaker A: I said you, so you might as well be there. So I shouldn't say that. [00:26:46] Speaker C: That's a little. Well, it depends on the woman. But, like, I'm kind of aggressive. You might. You might as well be there. See, I don't know, man. Maybe. I don't know because you might as well be there as, like, you know, there's a classic. Did you eat today? No, not really. All right, what time. What time you want me get you? [00:27:07] Speaker A: See what I'm saying? See, look. Look at her. Now. You said. Anything you just said. You just said. It wasn't even complex. It wasn't. It wasn't. [00:27:16] Speaker C: Like, that's the old faithfulness that you eat today. That's the girls. Bang. [00:27:19] Speaker A: That more than the second part. The second part. You said, what time? All right, what time? [00:27:23] Speaker B: Say it again. Say it again. [00:27:24] Speaker C: What time you want me to get you? What time you want to leave? What time you want me to get you? Like, that's like, without. Like. You know what I'm saying? [00:27:30] Speaker B: He told the bitch what time should I arrive? [00:27:32] Speaker C: Yeah, no, no, he said, you might as well come. [00:27:36] Speaker A: Like, you might as well be there. Yeah, that's dismissive. [00:27:40] Speaker C: Yeah, okay. But again, sometimes girls are like, oh, okay, all right. Take the. Because, you know, a lot of times they don't know what they want to eat, where they want to eat. [00:27:47] Speaker A: That's a fact. [00:27:48] Speaker C: You know what I'm saying? [00:27:49] Speaker A: Okay, fine. So I say it wrong. Whatever. [00:27:53] Speaker C: Or you just be like. You could be like. You could just get. Send a link of the. Of the menu. Just like, send a link of the menu because, you know, girls want to. They like the. Ooh. I think I'm gonna try to. You know what I'm saying? Be like, yeah, maybe. Like, I bet you I know what you want to get. [00:28:09] Speaker A: Oh, see what I'm saying? You saying anything. [00:28:12] Speaker C: But I'm just. I'm off the cuff. No, but I'm just saying. [00:28:13] Speaker A: But I'm saying that was my point to her. When we was arguing about this shit on the radio. I'm like, I said, these niggas could say anything. And y' all just be like, ooh, well, you told. [00:28:21] Speaker B: Frazzled, though. [00:28:24] Speaker A: I'm just saying, look at your shoulders. That's where the armrests are. [00:28:27] Speaker C: What the fuck are you saying, bartender? [00:28:35] Speaker B: This what I be going through, though. [00:28:37] Speaker C: I got a lot. [00:28:37] Speaker A: This is what I be going through. [00:28:39] Speaker C: Y' all know what I go through. I see it on my timeline sometimes. [00:28:41] Speaker B: Do you, like. Do you feel a way that you get rid of girl for defending yourself? [00:28:47] Speaker C: Yeah, man. Like, I was watching something today on my man KD, and then someone on YouTube, they was just like, man, like, he's just one of them people that he don't like when people say stuff, he'll defend himself. And why is that so bad? I'm like, exactly. But again, I do know, because I took, like, a year and a year and a half away off Twitter. Like, I was. I was just missing. And I'm like, this don't. It don't bother me. But when I'm back into the. When I'm back outside and shit like that, like, I'm like, damn. Like, y'. All. Oh, y' all just this miserable. Like, anything I say is just. You know what I'm saying? Or like, y', all, like, try to diminish what I done, you know? What I'm saying. And I just. That stuff be rubbing me wrong. But I know I probably shouldn't be replying all the time, but if I'm just sitting there smoking or something or, like, just listening to beats or doing something, I might reply sometime I feel. [00:29:36] Speaker B: Like your mentions is hot. [00:29:40] Speaker C: They was hot during BET week, that's for sure. [00:29:43] Speaker B: Let's talk about that. [00:29:44] Speaker A: Did you. Oh, go ahead. [00:29:45] Speaker C: Sorry. [00:29:47] Speaker B: So for the people who don't know, just to give context, Kai, Sonata's streaming. He look like he in the garage. He hopping in the car. He say, what up? You say, what up? He say, what up? Y' all talk about the game, whatever. Twitter go crazy because he said. Did he say welly? [00:30:05] Speaker A: Yeah, well, he mispronouncing your name. [00:30:07] Speaker B: And then the driver corrected him, like, that's Wale. Said the songs and said, you know, everything that. All of the. All of the songs that we know you for. And then he's talking to Snoop Dogg, and then you let him know, like, yo, I look crazy. Did you know that the streamers be mic'd up 24 7? [00:30:29] Speaker C: And the last place I thought it would be is, like, in this crowded little area. But, you know, again, like, I seen the hallway. I mean, I'm not One thing about me. I always introduce myself to people, even if they already know me. Like, I'd be like, wilde, what's up? Even just out there, like, I'm introducing myself. Cause that's just what I do. So, I mean, we played in the game Celebrity Game, like last year. I saw that photo you posted, and I'm just like, okay. Oh, again, I'm sure he don't, like, be up, like, playing Lotus Flymont or like, on Chill or Poke it out or nothing. He not up playing it. But he's a hip hop. Like, he's a pillar in this new generation of hip hop. So, you know, then, you know, I had the game out and he was like, yeah, man, I beat you on this joint. Like, whatever. Okay. So I'm like, okay. He probably do remember me. It's cool. And then I get in the car and I'm just like, my phone like, damn, this nigga don't know who you are. This n. And I'm seeing all these. And then I'm getting texts from people like, yo, he. Then. It's all good, bro. Don't worry about that. What? And I'm so. I'm like, okay, cool. And I'm thinking about it like, I'm like, now I'm in the now I'M in the room with all my peers, everybody in there. Yeah. And then, you know, I seen them on the carpet, but I'm like, you know, that little. That's a. That's too much of a powerful little bubble right there of, like, energy that I don't really understand. So I waited, and I saw Snoop, and I'm cool with Snoop. And I just walked over to be like, yo, I was crazy, but let's talk later. And then I ain't think that was pressing nobody. Like, pressing out is like, man. Man, like, you know what I'm saying? I was just like, yo, this all good. Like that gentleman. It just made me look crazy. But maybe we could talk later. We didn't talk later. But, you know, I think people ran with it for a story, whatever. But I just was confused. Like, why am I the. But as the joke, man, they had to drag me to come here. Cause these events make me, like, uncomfortable. Like, you feel me? But I came there, put that shit on, did my thing, whatever, you know, took a little break, came back, you know, and I'm like, dang. Like, why am I the butt of the joke? There's actual wars going on there. Why is everybody talking about you crashed out on them. You pressing them out. Da, da, da. It was really Punch who started it. Cause Punch saw how Punch started. Cause Punch said, wale in this joint pressing niggas out. But he was joking, of course. Like, you know what I'm saying? It didn't hit me to the next day. I'm like. Cause that shit went viral. Like, so that was the narrative. And then it was just like, Internet magic, you know, this happens at this time. [00:32:53] Speaker A: Perfect storm. [00:32:54] Speaker C: Exactly. [00:32:54] Speaker B: So you didn't look crazy to me, though. [00:32:57] Speaker C: Most people from where I'm from was like, you just asked them, you know what I'm saying? [00:33:01] Speaker B: Well, no, the initial exchange wasn't crazy to me because it's like his chat corrected him. They like, that's Wale. The chat going crazy. Everybody's saying your name and stuff. And you hear the driver correcting them. [00:33:12] Speaker C: I should have absolutely just left it alone, though. [00:33:14] Speaker A: Yes. [00:33:14] Speaker B: Yeah. Now the second cuz, it look crazy when you don't realize that this nigga is still on stream. [00:33:21] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:33:21] Speaker B: And then you talked right into the mic. [00:33:23] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:33:25] Speaker A: But you know what? [00:33:27] Speaker C: I'm looking at everybody like this, and I'm looking for that little box with the. [00:33:32] Speaker A: This nigga miked, this nigga wearing a wire. [00:33:34] Speaker C: I thought y' all short ass pull up and be like, w's in the Chat. [00:33:38] Speaker A: Shut the fuck. [00:33:39] Speaker C: W's in the chat. W's in the chat. [00:33:40] Speaker A: Shut the fuck. [00:33:41] Speaker C: Is there any W's? W Chat. W. Thanks. Drivers. W W Driver. W Driver. [00:33:46] Speaker B: It's interesting as well. The first exchange, I thought that y' all was. It was a full rollout. Like, I thought that that was promo at first. So when to find out later on that you like, no, I look crazy. I kind of thought that, like, maybe y' all would have turned this into a whole. Like, not like a rollout. But the song was coming. I knew the song was coming. Cause y' all had sent it to me. But I'm thinking like, okay, the song is coming. They finna turn. And then you even had tweeted the game thing. So I'm like, oh, okay, this is all. It's fake, but it was real. [00:34:17] Speaker C: Maybe. Maybe it was a commercial. I like that better. [00:34:21] Speaker B: Yeah, call me next time. [00:34:22] Speaker C: It was a rollout. [00:34:23] Speaker A: It was a rollout. There you go. You spin on it. [00:34:26] Speaker C: Xander ain't take it down. [00:34:27] Speaker A: So I think when I saw that, I think my critique was like, bro, you wild. This is what I told Elliott Wilson. I said, you and Wale don't realize who y' all are. And what I mean by that is, you don't realize, bro. You're Wale. You know what I'm saying? Like, you don't. You can't operate in a space where, I mean, you can. I'm saying from my perspective, you shouldn't operate in a space where it's like, you not one of them niggas. Like, you one of them niggas. So, like, fuck what people think. Fuck what people saying. [00:34:58] Speaker C: Yeah, for sure. [00:34:58] Speaker A: You know what I'm saying? Not saying that. [00:35:00] Speaker C: You need to scuttle your. I mean, it comes and goes. Like, I'm a human. [00:35:03] Speaker A: I feel you. [00:35:04] Speaker C: You know, I wear my. You know, I wear my feelings out. Like, that's just how I am. But it's like, yeah, bro. Like, you know, some days you don't feel like that. You know what I'm saying? Like, some days you don't feel like, whatever. Like. And then I'll be. I'll be isolated a lot. Especially when I'm working on music. I be, like, to myself. So it's like, I don't know what's going on. I don't know how I'm gonna be received. And, you know, that is a little bit of imposter syndrome. But with House, Imma feel like I'm not. I don't. There's no Like I said, there's not really no community. There's, you know, from this place that's so far away that it's not really, you know, we still trying to get, like, gather our identity in the music industry. Like, so it's hard to really, like, you know, to tell yourself that all the time. You know what I'm saying? Like, you know, and then also, I'm just me. Like, I could be with my. A group of people and wander off and they'll be like, yo, what are you doing? Like, you can't be just walking, like, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, I'm aloof a little bit sometimes, but, like, that's just me. Like, sometimes I'll be like, yeah. And sometimes I'll be like, man, what is this? What am I doing here? [00:36:03] Speaker A: Simulation. [00:36:04] Speaker C: Yeah. How did I get. [00:36:05] Speaker A: Can we get into some music? [00:36:06] Speaker B: Well, before. [00:36:06] Speaker A: Oh, sorry, go ahead. [00:36:08] Speaker B: You tweeted that you didn't want to do any more interviews or media. What do you think our job is as media personalities? [00:36:15] Speaker C: It's so crazy because the job of media is like, journalism and, like, information. But now it's like, everything is like, clickbait and salacious and all that other stuff. Like, and it's like we've lost the integrity. And when print died, you know, there was a part. It was. You know, then blogger started and it was. That was pretty much information and not. But then it started to, you know, now it's just like, what can we do to make this person react? You know, what can we do to have different clips go viral? And, you know, and I get it because it's a business, but I think that's taking precedent over actual information. Information isn't, as entertainment, entertaining if it's not, like, salacious, you know what I'm saying? And that's where we at right now. But I think y' all job is just what it's always been. Barbara Walters, you know, Oprah, you know what I'm saying? Like, you know, whoever. Terrence J. And them, like, it was always just information to the culture, you know what I'm saying? Sometimes it could be bias, you know, but like, information to the culture and keeping that joint fed. Now it's like some people talk about the same thing every day, all the time, and it's like, bro, like, you know what I'm saying? This isn't what hip hop is about. Like, you know what I'm saying? So I don't know, but sports is going through it too. Like, where it's not. It's not even just information. No, more like telling us how much Bron had today is not. Is one thing, but you gotta tell us how much. What are the implifications if he leaves la or who's the best of all time? Cause it's gonna get clicks. So it's not information based. [00:37:50] Speaker A: Well, with that being said, do you think there's a difference between. Well, what do you think is the difference between a media personality and a journalist? [00:37:58] Speaker C: Man, it's essentially one and the same. Now, okay, academics is a journalist, whether anybody wanna believe it or not, or not. He's. I mean, he might not in the traditional sense, but he is a journalist. Cause he gets information and you know, relates it to people on his platform, like a journalist. Now, he's not. It's not. It's like. It's just the same way. Like a Harlem globetrotter is a basketball player. He might not be in the NBA. He plays basketball. You know what I'm saying? NBA players are basketball players. There's different ways to do it. Some people want this, some people want that. You know what I'm saying? So it's a weird time. Ever since print died and radio, they, you know, they. I still believe very much on radio, but radio, you live on radio. Radio changed a lot in the past couple of years, you know what I'm saying? So, you know, that's why we have streams and that's how we have like radical journalism, I call it. [00:38:56] Speaker A: Last thing on that is how do you feel about the streaming era? Like, do you think that there's. Because I know there's a lot of pushback back and forth. But now you being. You went through label change, you kind of like, you kinda are the master of your own program. Like, you do what you wanna do. I don't see anybody like, beholden. I don't see you beholden to anyone at this point in your career. How do you feel about the streaming? Cause you went through multiple era, blog era, physical, CD era, streaming era. [00:39:21] Speaker C: Like, another thing is people. I don't think a lot of people understand how many labels I've been on, and not just because of the game. Signing to Mark Ronson first, you know what I'm saying? Sign with Jay Z, Roc Nation, one of those F style enterprises. And then they were going through some changes beginning early, you know, growing pains. Mark had a situation with Interscope that fell out. I was a casualty at that war. Then I was chilling for like two months. And then, you know, Atlantic Warner at the time signed me, didn't want to change to Atlantic. Then Atlantic had a situation with Ross Maybach. Yeah. And then I went to. I was indy for like four months. Then I went to Warner, the new Warner Records. And then, you know, I did a two album deal with them. And I seen how things was going there and I was like, I don't want to renew my contract while I'm dropping. Silly me saying I don't want to renew my contract before the album got dropped. But you live and learn. But then, you know, my MMG contract was fulfilled and then I went and got a new situation at Deft. So it's like, bro, like going to a new building so many times in your career, like it's like, come on, man. Like it's hard. Like it's hard enough. And then the whole like 90% of the industry got wiped out, like within the past two years. [00:40:45] Speaker A: Laid off. [00:40:46] Speaker C: Cuts this shit crazy. [00:40:48] Speaker A: That's why I brought that up. But I wanted to know your perspective as being somebody who's gone through that. Cause a lot of people idolize the deal. [00:40:56] Speaker C: They idolize the idea of it. [00:40:57] Speaker A: The idea of it. [00:41:00] Speaker C: The streaming era is not. It's just. I mean, nothing you could do. It is what it is. But I think it's cheapen the music a little bit. But I tell you, you know, my albums used to remember when they came out on Tuesday. [00:41:12] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. [00:41:13] Speaker C: My album, Album About Nothing was the last week that the Tuesdays was the day. And that was a big. That was a big thing in retrospect because that's when the powers that be decided, okay, we not doing hard. The focus is no longer physical. [00:41:32] Speaker A: Physical copies. [00:41:33] Speaker C: Yeah. And I think. Cause I think, well, I'm About Nothing did like 134 first week. I think it was number one or two. [00:41:40] Speaker A: And like May 30, 2008. [00:41:42] Speaker C: And then, you know, my sales like took a crazy hit when it became streaming. Cause I'm just, I like to believe I'm a blue collar artists. Like the cities like St. Louis, Chicago, Philadelphia, you know what I'm saying? These cities, they've really come out for me. You know what I'm saying? But the streaming there is like, I got songs that's, you know, but it's like some kids might have songs that. Or some people might have songs that. People that don't have no job, they can just sit there and play it all day. Playing video games all day. And it's like, you know, and the whole 1500 streams to one cell is a little bit. You can't really gauge nothing no more, you know what I'm saying? And I just think it cheapens the music a little bit. [00:42:27] Speaker A: I feel that the other thing that I want to. So I'm gonna talk about a couple of the things that are like my things. I play PYT pretty much every time I DJ Sam, sneak shout out to. [00:42:39] Speaker C: Him. [00:42:41] Speaker A: For that song. Did you. Did you like, who was. Where was the. Who came up with the concept of the record? And then how did you approach that? Like, did you already know that you were going to do that melody like that? [00:42:52] Speaker C: No, actually, that. That was a very unique one. I was in Atlanta for something and went to one of Ross Cribs. [00:43:01] Speaker A: One of Ross Cribs? [00:43:02] Speaker C: Yeah, Ross Cribs. And I just was recording for the day and Sam came in there and I went. I went into the little pool table area and then Sam was in there. So I wanna play something and I'm just like. And he started playing it and then I just started singing that hook. And he's like, go on the roof and just lay that joint. And we, like, we knew that's the. [00:43:26] Speaker A: First thing that came to your mind. [00:43:27] Speaker C: Yeah. On that particular record. And we all knew once I did the hook in the first verse that it was outta here. That was when, yeah, we knew it was gone. Like, everybody knew. [00:43:37] Speaker B: Do you recognize yourself as a cheat code for other artists? [00:43:43] Speaker C: Sometimes. But then it's like, damn, like, sometimes I'd be like, if I really was, then certain things would be different. So, you know, so a lot of times I'll be like, I got more to prove in all aspects. Not even like these type of records. Like, you know, like, I got more to prove as an emcee, as an artist, as a writer, you know what I'm saying? So I don't think so, but I feel like I've been very beneficial to a lot of artists, like, trying to. I do too, to jump off the porch. [00:44:11] Speaker B: What do you think you still have to prove, though? [00:44:14] Speaker C: I just, you know, that I'm like, you know, I still want. I still want. Like, this shit is sport. Like, you still want to be able to be the best in all arenas, all areas of this joint, whether you just, you know, you rapping on canvas greatness or you rapping on something else, you know, you always want to be the top of your game. And if I'm rapping on Maxwell Pretty Wings, like, I still wanna talk. Like, still wanna be able my stuff to be as potent as it always has, it still matters to me that. [00:44:44] Speaker B: The effort when it's all said and done, like, what do you want your legacy to be? [00:44:50] Speaker C: I think I'm still trying to figure it out, but, you know, I think I do think they don't. Again, like the whole polarizing thing and about like it now. We joked about being divisive, but it's like, you know, there's a lot of people that's Kai's age that know my stuff. There's people younger that know, you know what I'm saying, There's people, you know, my age that don't. Ain't really familiar or they have already made their mind up, like, you know what I'm saying? I still, like I said, I still got stuff I want to reach. There's still goals I want to reach and achievements that I want. So I think if I can find myself in a position to achieve some of the things I want to do, I could start figuring out what exactly the legacy should be. You know what I'm saying? [00:45:35] Speaker B: I searched your name on my Twitter and I've been a groupie for 10 years. Over 10 years. [00:45:45] Speaker C: Thank you, thank you. [00:45:49] Speaker B: I didn't realize it. I'm like, dang, I've been talking about this nigga on Twitter since Twitter, Twitter, since Twitter, since the birth of Twitter. That's why just hearing you say that you still. That you have something to prove, it just sounds crazy to me because as a fan, you've done it for me. [00:46:06] Speaker C: Oh, I appreciate it. And I mean, I think, I think I have one of the more unique, like, lores in this hip hop stuff. Like, I think a lot. There's a lot of stuff people don't know. And again, like, I got so many things I've always wanted to accomplish and I haven't. So I don't really. I feel like I have a lot to prove. But I do know, like, you know, I'm very hands on with my fans and, you know, I talk to them and I'm at the meet and grease, we talk and I see they do see something completely different. But again, I'm a big dreamer, I got big goals. So I still don't see it all the way sometimes. [00:46:42] Speaker A: Do you think that from a musical standpoint, from speaking on more to, like, stuff you want to do and achieve, do you feel like you deserve more accolades from critics? [00:46:53] Speaker C: Well, that's so tricky because I've learned in my life, in my career that, like, they'll fuck with you if they know that you want their praise. They'll mess with you. You know what I'm saying, and I think a lot of times when I do something undeniable, it gets quiet. If I do something divisive, then you gonna hear, you know what I'm saying? [00:47:15] Speaker A: Here you go again. [00:47:16] Speaker C: The peanut gallery. You know what I'm saying? So, you know, I can't really say I'm too involved with the critics say. Cuz, like, I don't even read comments. Only comments I do read are on Twitter. I don't go to YouTube. I don't go to nothing. Like, because I. I know it can get dark. You can go, we could be in Reddit and be like, damn, I should quit. Like, or just get too gassed. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, yeah, but now, like, I'm like, critics gonna say what they say and do what they do, man. Like, everybody already made up their decision on, like, certain artists. Like, you know, they've already made. They already know. Okay, well, he can't exceed. He can't exceed this glass ceiling. Like, he can't. He can't break through. So I'm Give it one lesson and call it a seven. Give it one listen and call it. You know what I'm saying? [00:48:05] Speaker A: Yeah. So the reason I asked that is because I know there's been a lot of emphasis on us celebrating each other within the culture. Right? So you won a BET Award for Lotus Flower Bomb, and that was for Best collaboration. But then. And you were nominated for the Grammy for Best Rap Song. And so I was thinking about that because you were talking about the Kaisha at the BET Awards, and I'm like, oh. Like. And before we even got on the air, you were talking about, like, you know, communal, like, community and whatnot. So that's why I wanted your opinion on that. As far as what you think. [00:48:36] Speaker C: I mean, that was my. So long ago feel me, like, yeah, I think I've made records better than that. So, you know, again, I don't want to say too much because I every. They be jumping me. [00:48:46] Speaker A: Yeah, I feel you. [00:48:47] Speaker C: But, you know, there's certain things that happen in the industry, you know, that, you know, that prevent. But, like, again, the Grammy nomination was like, my, like, you know, one time, you know, and I just feel like in my mind, I'm like, yo, like, this is. This is how they. This is how. Like, this is. This is legacy stuff, Grammys and stuff like that. [00:49:09] Speaker A: Super legacy. Yeah. [00:49:10] Speaker C: And I ain't really, you know, I ain't go nowhere since Lotus Flower. Mom, you've been right. I got. I got triple problem Quadruple platinum records a lot since then. But that was my last nomination, you know what I'm saying? And my last award was like the one I got in trouble for talking about. Yeah, that was my last award. [00:49:27] Speaker A: But do you submit your. [00:49:28] Speaker C: Come on, man. [00:49:29] Speaker A: I'm just asking because people don't know that you have to submit your shit for those things. [00:49:33] Speaker C: Course. And you know, it makes it easy to, to, to. To attack my legacy, like if you want to. It makes it easy like he ain't what he want, he ain't what he sold. Like, so there's that. You know what I'm saying? [00:49:43] Speaker A: Yeah, I get that. [00:49:45] Speaker B: This, this year is the 10 year anniversary of the album about nothing. Are you doing any type of celebration or anything for it? [00:49:52] Speaker C: When is it? When is that joint? Hence platinum, right? [00:50:00] Speaker A: Yeah, the need to know. [00:50:02] Speaker C: Yeah, the need to know. When. [00:50:03] Speaker A: Platinum. [00:50:03] Speaker C: When is, when is the. When is it dropped? [00:50:06] Speaker A: In March 31st. [00:50:07] Speaker C: Oh, so. So we already passed it, but it's still this year. [00:50:10] Speaker B: You didn't do nothing for it? [00:50:11] Speaker C: I don't think so. [00:50:16] Speaker A: They did a Kennedy Center. [00:50:17] Speaker C: He's saying we did something over there. Yeah. [00:50:19] Speaker A: You don't celebrate. No. You don't celebrate your wins sometimes. [00:50:22] Speaker C: But I think I just been in the trenches with what I'm working on now. Yeah, you know, it's been an interesting journey doing this, you know. Cause the music been changing, my feelings about stuff been changing. Like the production choices change, you know what I'm saying? [00:50:39] Speaker A: So I'm more like that when I'm listening to. I mean it. I mean, I don't want to be offensive, but it don't sound like it to me. This sound like Wale, like when I listen to where to start. When you hear Blanco, like it don't sound like it don't sound like you've changed the formula. Like it sound like. No, this is Wale shit. [00:50:57] Speaker C: Well, I don't think I made a record like Blanco before. [00:51:01] Speaker A: I'm not saying it like specifically that record. I'm saying when I hear it, it don't sound far fetched. [00:51:06] Speaker C: I want it to sound evolved. I want it to sound evolved and I'm definitely doing that on the album. But again, the greatest artists or the greatest athletes or the greatest anything in the world, like most of them, you don't. It's supposed to look like it's not difficult. I feel it, you know what I'm saying? Like if you did your $10,000 plus it's supposed to look like, you know what I'm saying? You can probably DJ a whole club and be thinking about 10,000 things and not even thinking like, you know what I'm saying? [00:51:37] Speaker B: You gotta celebrate yourself more and give yourself more grace. [00:51:40] Speaker C: It's coming soon. [00:51:41] Speaker B: I remember I was in the crowd when you. It was you, McMill and Rick Ross. They brought you guys on stage for 106 Inn Park. I forget if it was out here, but it was during the BET Awards and they brought y' all on stage and y' all had just dropped something. I forgot what it was, but y' all had just dropped something. But that was like 2012 or like 2013 or something like that. [00:52:11] Speaker C: One of the self made or something like that. [00:52:12] Speaker B: So it was during the BET Awards, it was during Terrence and Roxy was still hosting me. So to be able to just still sit here and talk to you is a blessing. Because a lot of our artists, they either they done passed away like y' all was talking about earlier, they strung out on drugs or they just not cooking like that. And you been dropping stuff. Like he said, it don't sound too far fetched or far away from what you used to do or what you've dropped, you know, in the past. So I just think you just need to give yourself some grace. [00:52:39] Speaker C: I appreciate it. I mean, I'm working on it, you know what I'm saying? But again, I told Joe now, something happens in every artist's career. If you've been in it long enough, like past the seven year threshold, something happened that changed you regardless, bro, like, it can make you worse, it can make you better, it can make you more closed off, you know what I'm saying? Literally any artist that I know personally, we've had that conversation. Something happened that changed you from what your first couple of interviews are to what you are now. Mine says I used to be way more of an extrovert. Way more like outgoing. Yeah, way more like, you know what I'm saying? Like now I'm like, you know what I'm saying? [00:53:17] Speaker A: What was the thing that changed you? [00:53:20] Speaker C: It just some things like even like I was in a bad legal situation when I first had my daughter and I almost bothered job and I remember I had to use so much money, marketing and all that to like handle the legal stuff with like some like a backdoor situation that somebody put me through. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like that joint changed me for sure. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, and just like how some people like get funny with you, like, you know what I'm Saying like, they hit a little run and they just funny with you. And it's just like, it just kind of make you just think, like, dang, maybe I should just be myself more. You know what I'm saying? And then it just. Stuff like that happened and then just be like, all right, I get it. I get what this is. Like, just stay to yourself and like, don't be like, don't need to kiki with everybody. [00:54:16] Speaker A: I remember T Pain talking about, like, how he's done so many different things for artists and then they don't reciprocate. And you talked about. Spoken that earlier. So is that. Do you think that attributes to the changing of the artist where that was his thing? [00:54:28] Speaker C: Probably for sure. [00:54:29] Speaker A: You might. Like you said, you hit up somebody, they didn't hit you back. And like Gina said earlier, you probably have been many artists. Secret sauce. And then do you think that that will change you or that has affected you, whereas the love wouldn't be reciprocated? [00:54:44] Speaker C: Well, I don't even. I don't even look for the reciprocation no more. I keep my distance from. [00:54:48] Speaker A: I'm talking about back then when you. [00:54:49] Speaker C: Said, yeah, I just thought it was. I just thought like, you know, honor amongst thieves. Like, I know, like, I wasn't naive enough to think that we all. Both. We all was sandboxed together. But I'm like, you know, I'm sure that we have a lot in common because we've. We're young. We're young black folks that, like, that made it. You know what I'm saying? So maybe there's a little bit of relatability and we working together. But, you know, that. That was. That, you know, that was. It was more transactional than I thought. You know what I'm saying? Like, yeah. And again, like, you know, I don't be. I ain't tripping. Like, it's just, like, it just changes. Like, all right, cool. Like, you know, just hit my man just in the record. Like, we don't gotta play that. Do the rigmarole. Like, just. Let's just get to. Just get the work done. [00:55:28] Speaker A: Got you. [00:55:29] Speaker B: I have two questions. Do you have $500 on you right now? [00:55:32] Speaker C: Nah. [00:55:33] Speaker B: Okay. [00:55:34] Speaker C: On trying to line me up on October. [00:55:39] Speaker B: October 500. That's a lineup that's like on October 23, 2021 at 7:29am you tweeted seats, $500 to whoever can tell me what fluctuate samples. [00:55:52] Speaker A: Yeah, he got a cash app. Probably, you know it. [00:55:56] Speaker B: You got Apple Pay cash App. I don't know the answer, but I was just. I don't know if you had it on you. [00:56:02] Speaker C: This is a long ass set up for. No. [00:56:04] Speaker B: And I asked Chad GPT, and Chad GPT said that he don't know. [00:56:09] Speaker C: Yeah, he don't. [00:56:10] Speaker A: He don't know. [00:56:11] Speaker C: That's a. That's a. That's a. That's a. That's. [00:56:13] Speaker A: You ask that. [00:56:14] Speaker C: Y' all gotta ask DJ Money, because I think DJ Money Job. Like, he, like, he called money right now. He like. He just like, I need that 500. There's no. I don't think the song even came out. [00:56:24] Speaker B: So you was trolling? [00:56:25] Speaker C: No, somebody told me something. I made the song, and then I was like, oh, like, what's something? And they was like, oh, no, no. It's not like it was a whole thing. Like, I'm like, oh, why you had me thinking that stuff? Like. [00:56:37] Speaker B: So if I knew the answer, you wouldn't have knew? You don't know anything. [00:56:39] Speaker A: Oh, you don't even know. [00:56:40] Speaker C: No, I just know that it's a song that wasn't released, and it was like a demo or something like that around that time. That's all I know. [00:56:49] Speaker B: So you don't know the answer? [00:56:50] Speaker C: Nah. Well, yeah, no, I don't. No, I don't. [00:56:54] Speaker B: Who did you think it was? [00:56:55] Speaker C: I thought it was Sisters with Voices, and I was inspired when I heard it. So. [00:57:02] Speaker B: Ah, you trolled up. [00:57:04] Speaker A: That was crazy low key at that point. [00:57:06] Speaker C: I thought I did. No, no, no. [00:57:07] Speaker A: You know what you did? You tried to field the answer for 500. Like, look, everybody go look for this sample. I'm gonna give you 500, and that way I can go get this motherfucker clear to people. [00:57:16] Speaker C: Nah. Because money was like, yo, this is this song. And then, like, I had seen something later, like. And I was like, that's not what I heard. But the song was tight, so I was like, man, let's just let it just keep going, man. [00:57:28] Speaker A: That tried to source the answer from the Internet. [00:57:31] Speaker C: It's on the Internet somewhere, for sure. [00:57:33] Speaker B: It ain't on. [00:57:34] Speaker C: So I don't got no service in here, so. [00:57:36] Speaker A: Nah, you want to get on? [00:57:37] Speaker B: You want the WI Fi? [00:57:38] Speaker C: Nah, my album be out in the morning if I use y' all WI fi at the swap meet, right? [00:57:47] Speaker A: Shut them. Hey, this ain't that. [00:57:49] Speaker B: Yeah, this ain't what them other niggas you be going to talk to. [00:57:52] Speaker A: We don't. [00:57:52] Speaker C: We don't. [00:57:52] Speaker B: Yeah, I don't play. [00:57:53] Speaker A: We don't get out. [00:57:54] Speaker C: Nah, Man, I didn't even tell my cell phone. Ended up at her swap meet one time, man. [00:58:02] Speaker A: Look, like, your physical phone. [00:58:03] Speaker C: This is, like, maybe, like, more than 10 years ago. Kendrick helped me try to locate that jump, like. Cause I didn't realize. I think the barber stole it. Like, in that joint. Like, we was trying to. We was trying to, like, track it down all day, and it just ended up in some swap meet, like, something, like, around there. [00:58:20] Speaker A: Where was the. You went and got your hair cut. [00:58:22] Speaker C: Not in the hotel. [00:58:23] Speaker A: You got. Okay, the barber came, cut your hair in the hotel. Yeah, the phone went missing. [00:58:29] Speaker C: You know, you don't really realize, like, yeah, it was real. [00:58:32] Speaker A: Okay, the phone went missing. [00:58:33] Speaker C: It might. [00:58:34] Speaker A: How the fuck did Dot get to. [00:58:36] Speaker C: Because around that time. Around that time, we would talk every day, like, you know what I'm saying? Like, so I'm like, yo, I think somebody. You know what I'm saying? Like, And I tracked it. And then, like, I didn't know where I was at. Like, I'm just like, yo, we, like, with the driver. Like, I'm just trying to find that junk. And then, like, it took, like, maybe, like, three hours. And I was somewhere, and it was a big building. And he said something like, man, I don't know. Like, something to the effect of, like, man, that jump is gone, man. Like. And I just. I knew it, too. When I saw that building. I was like, man, I got it, man. But I was like. I was, like, driving around trying to find it, and I'm like, man, I ain't about to go to nobody. Neighbor. It was like, me and one other person. I'm like, I'm not stupid now, like. [00:59:15] Speaker A: But. So you was by yourself with the. With somebody, or you was with DOC. [00:59:18] Speaker C: N. I was on the phone. [00:59:19] Speaker A: Oh, you was on the phone with Dot Looking for the other phone? [00:59:21] Speaker C: Yeah, trying. [00:59:22] Speaker B: Was anything leaked? [00:59:23] Speaker C: Nah, nah, nah, nah. [00:59:25] Speaker B: Nothing ever happened. [00:59:25] Speaker C: Nothing. Nothing happened, but something. Got a phone. [00:59:28] Speaker B: No music, no nudes. [00:59:29] Speaker C: Nah, nah. I don't keep stuff like that on my phone. [00:59:32] Speaker B: Can we talk about Groundhog Day? [00:59:34] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:59:35] Speaker B: Is there a backstory with the diss? Tracks back and forth. And then y' all went to the game. [00:59:40] Speaker C: I don't think Groundhog Day was a diss, but, I mean, I remember me. And it's funny. Cause me and Cole talked the day before False Prophet came out. We was talking about, like, family and kids and stuff, like, whatever. And I had went to the. I was in D.C. i went to the club that day, and I ain't feel like driving all the way back to the house of Maryland. So I stayed in the city that night. And I woke up at, like. I just woke up, like, hungover in a hotel, like, in the city. And my Phone had, like, 50 messages. And, like, I'm like, yo, Cole, you know, niggas amping and shit. And I'm like, I ain't listen to it. I ain't. I didn't respond to nobody. I'm just like. In my mind, I'm like, okay. My shit stopped beating. I'm like, like. Everybody saying this, man, what up? And then got to my jump, and I was like. I listened to it in the crib. I was like, stay calm. I went to the gym. I went to the gym. I sat in the sauna, listened to it, like, twice, went home, and I wrote Groundhog's Day. And it was already done that night. It was about to come out that night, and I was like, you know what? Might have had a little bit too much to drink. Let me make sure these lines is tighter. Got my engineer up at, like, 10. And then I didn't respond to him. I didn't say nothing to Eve or nothing. I just put it out on a link. And then after that, this, like, started getting feedback. Then I talked to Cole, and I was like, yo, I'm about to come down there because I don't want people to think we, like. But I had to. I had to respond on music. [01:01:04] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:01:04] Speaker C: Rather than like, we, because everybody think I'm gonna go on the Internet. And then I had to let niggas know, like, I can get like. Like, people thought that shit was like, like, nah, nigga. Like, that's responsive coming from a nigga. And it's like, yeah, I love the. [01:01:17] Speaker B: Way y' all handled that, though. [01:01:19] Speaker C: He. He. I remember. I think Eve said was like, man, this is good. This is great. I like. I like how you handle. I'm like, yeah. Which I thought I was going like, you know what I'm saying? You know? But. But sometimes Kobe, like, it's not even about. It's not even about me, so. [01:01:31] Speaker A: But your demeanor be. People think you tripping. [01:01:34] Speaker C: Nah. When it's time. No, I get like. [01:01:36] Speaker A: I've seen the clips. [01:01:37] Speaker C: A lot of. A lot of. A lot of artists, like, a lot of artists probably thought it was all like, yeah, but a pecan, man flow, like. You know what I'm saying? But when shit goes. I don't. I don't. I'm just like, yo, you want, like, look, we could go right behind that joint right There no cameras, no nothing. Let's just whatever. Whatever happened. And I think that should be, like, disarming sometimes. I'm not. I don't carry myself like no tough guy, but it's like, if it's that, let's make it that. Let's go. Let's handle that, like, you know what I'm saying? Or if it's rappers, let's handle it on the record. [01:02:05] Speaker A: All right, hold on. I got money here. Money, money. You live on the air, bro. [01:02:11] Speaker C: What's up? [01:02:13] Speaker A: We trying to get this 500 right now. Gina asked him the question about the sample. [01:02:18] Speaker B: What's the sample on Fluctuate while they fluctuate. [01:02:23] Speaker A: It's not even out. What's the samples? Swwv. [01:02:30] Speaker C: So swv unreleased record. I don't think that's Coco or none of them on there, bro. Are you. I don't think you're sure about that. I don't think you're sure about that. [01:02:40] Speaker A: Yeah, they just never. It just never. Coco's not on. On a good record, but it's a record that they were working on for. [01:02:48] Speaker C: Another project, and I don't know if that's even. I think that might be a demo of somebody's. I don't know if it's none of them. That's what I'm saying. And. And when I. And when we did the record, you was like, yeah, that's the. You told me was SWB record. That never came out. Well, I don't even know if you said it never came out, but I liked it. And Khalil made that jump, right? Yeah, Khalil made that, and I liked it. And I was just like, all right, cool. And then I was telling people it was. Until I found out. You know what I'm saying? [01:03:18] Speaker A: That's what he told me. Okay. So nobody know. [01:03:21] Speaker B: So can I get the money? [01:03:23] Speaker C: You didn't win it. [01:03:24] Speaker A: You didn't win. [01:03:25] Speaker B: It's not really an answer, though. [01:03:26] Speaker C: I told you I ain't true. [01:03:29] Speaker A: He tweeted. When was the tweet, Gina, when was the Tweet? [01:03:31] Speaker B: It was 2021. [01:03:36] Speaker A: He said 500 for whoever know. Whoever could get the sample or figure the sample out. Oh, yeah, he swapped with that. [01:03:42] Speaker B: It was October 23, 2021. So he knew. He knew. He was just fucking with us. Huh? [01:03:48] Speaker C: The fact still remains that. Nah, Money, I think. I think. Can you. Can you. Can we get some closure to. Can we find out? Let's send Gina the original song, though. [01:03:56] Speaker A: Yeah, send Gina the song. [01:03:57] Speaker C: Send me out a Song, the original. Let's find it. Like, find it from Khalil, and let's all have the original so we can at least have some closure. [01:04:04] Speaker A: All right. All right, bro. Text me the song, bro. [01:04:07] Speaker B: And I feel like I should just get it. Cause nobody, like, asks you that in an interview anyway. [01:04:11] Speaker C: Nobody has. But you ain't win it, though. [01:04:16] Speaker A: Yeah, no, you got that. But you ain't getting this money, though. [01:04:19] Speaker B: I got another one for you, then. I got another one. Cause TikTok. Okay, TikTok said. [01:04:30] Speaker A: TikTok said. [01:04:31] Speaker B: TikTok said that Lotus Flower Bomb is about salon. [01:04:36] Speaker C: That's what TikTok said. [01:04:37] Speaker B: Mm. [01:04:39] Speaker C: Who on TikTok? [01:04:40] Speaker B: I don't know the username. [01:04:42] Speaker C: I mean. [01:04:43] Speaker B: And Vibe wrote an article about it too. In 2018. October 19, 2018 at 3. [01:04:49] Speaker C: 11Pm Oh, I wrote that song so long ago, so I don't. [01:04:53] Speaker A: Before 2000. What'd you say? [01:04:56] Speaker B: 2018. [01:04:57] Speaker C: But that song came out, like, 2012. [01:05:00] Speaker A: Oh, you wrote it before? Like, years before it came out? [01:05:02] Speaker C: Well, actually, the first and second verses are, like, a year and a half apart, actually. But damn. Yeah, it was one of them joints. But damn. Yeah, I don't remember. Next question. [01:05:13] Speaker B: Okay. [01:05:16] Speaker C: Shout out to her, though. [01:05:18] Speaker B: I got some questions for you. [01:05:19] Speaker A: Do you want. Hold on. Last thing. Do you want to. Last thing. First thing is Wally Mania. I was out there. [01:05:27] Speaker C: Yes, sir. [01:05:28] Speaker A: Thank you. You know. You know, with. With me and shout out to Charde and everybody. The whole team. But two takeaways I have from Wile Mania. Bro, nobody's doing something like that, right? Like, I've never seen a show where it was like. It's like a variety show, but not like, you know, I don't know how to. I don't even know how to describe it. [01:05:49] Speaker C: That's what. That's. And that's the goal to. To have him. Like, nobody can really describe it. [01:05:54] Speaker A: Okay. [01:05:54] Speaker C: I don't even know if we've done 10 of them. I still don't. [01:05:58] Speaker A: Yeah, I don't know. Like. Cause when I came back, obviously, I went and talked about it with people, and they was like, well, what is it? I'm like, I don't really. [01:06:08] Speaker C: It's like a trust me, bro joint. Like, it's like a trust. Trust me. [01:06:11] Speaker A: Like, you know what? I went and had seafood with the homegirl. She was like, just try it. Trust me. [01:06:16] Speaker C: It was like. [01:06:16] Speaker A: It's like that. [01:06:17] Speaker C: Yeah. Yeah, it is. It is. [01:06:18] Speaker A: I was gonna ask you if you knew how to describe it, but, no. [01:06:20] Speaker C: It'S like, trust me. Man, you gonna have a good time. [01:06:24] Speaker A: All right? And the second thing was the battle rap, bro. It was DNA. It was Tay Rock. Oh my God. [01:06:32] Speaker C: It was good. I missed it. [01:06:33] Speaker A: They cooked n. I came back. Me and Bouleg head was losing our fucking minds on the balcony, bro. [01:06:40] Speaker C: I'm glad we added that touch though. Cause there's a lot of fans in that world, bro. [01:06:44] Speaker A: That shit was fire. So I guess the question would be is if you want to talk about it, why was that the last one? If not, if not, why you troll me and tell me that was a lie? [01:06:54] Speaker C: It's just a lot of work. Like, you know, sometimes the juice gotta be worth the squeeze. Sometimes. I love doing it, you know, It's a labor of love, for real, like, you know what I'm saying? Like what I make to get on an airplane, you know what I'm saying? Cause I don't like, you know what I'm saying? It's just a lot of work and it's just like, sometimes it don't really be worth it for real, like, especially when you got other stuff going on, like album stuff and, you know, other big ideas. [01:07:24] Speaker A: So it takes away from the actual shit. [01:07:26] Speaker C: Yeah. And you know, this business is changing, man. And it's like, it's just changing. And it's like. I don't know, it's just, you know, Cass is. Kaz has been trying to like, twist my arm, like doing it again. But, like, some things gotta be different if I do it again. But we'll see. Maybe I'll take a year off. [01:07:44] Speaker A: Take a year off and then do it. [01:07:46] Speaker C: Or maybe I'll be. Maybe somebody else do something like that and whatever. But we made it to 10 years, so. [01:07:51] Speaker A: Yeah, well, congrats on the 10 year run. Like, a lot of niggas ain't got that kind of ip, you know what I'm saying? [01:07:56] Speaker C: Thank you, brother. [01:07:57] Speaker B: What about acting? You did Ambulance. [01:08:01] Speaker A: She can't say the word ambulance. Just say it. Cause she can't say it. [01:08:03] Speaker C: It's crazy because I did it with Jake Gyllenhaal and Yaya. [01:08:09] Speaker A: Hell yeah. [01:08:09] Speaker C: And Michael Bay. [01:08:11] Speaker A: I with that movie. I with Michael Bates, bro. [01:08:13] Speaker C: He said he's a. [01:08:15] Speaker A: He's a. I'm a Jerry Bruckheimer. Don Simpson. Michael Bay, he. [01:08:19] Speaker C: He. I. I've played for like some really intense football coaches and track coaches, and Michael Bay is double. Double anything I've ever been on the gridiron. Like, intense. Maybe he know what he want, you know what I'm saying? But it Was an intimidating situation because it's like, you got Jake Gyllenhaal and Yaya, like, and Michael Bay. And it's during COVID so you can't even have nobody on set with you. You know what I'm saying? But it was fun. Like, I just met with Michael Bay, like, a couple weeks ago about what's next. You know what I'm saying? So I'm trying. [01:08:50] Speaker A: I'm a Michael Bay fan. [01:08:51] Speaker C: Yeah, he's an interesting guy. That's my guy. But really, he's intense. Boy. [01:08:56] Speaker B: What's your ideal movie role or storyline? [01:09:00] Speaker C: Just something that allows me to be creative with it. Like, I've got stuff. I've gotten stuff like, yo, we want you to, like, you just, like, we're gonna do, like, Love Jones. And, like, you're gonna be like, would. [01:09:10] Speaker B: You hit something on TV. [01:09:13] Speaker C: Or do a sex scene? I think that's for people that dedicate their lives to that they was fucking at Love Jones. Yeah, I wouldn't. I wouldn't. I don't think I would do a movie like Love Jones. It's kind of on the nose a little bit, but who knows? But, I mean, just doing stuff that, like, allow me to, like, be creative and keep it interesting so I'm not just going through the motions. Cause you gotta really like Love. Like, it's so much hurry up and wait and you know what I'm saying? Getting into the character and all of that. But I'm definitely gonna get back into it after this album done. [01:09:43] Speaker A: As a dj, I gotta ask you about Poke It Out. Cause I play that song every time I DJ, too. Shout out to Cool and Dre the. I guess the one question I got is, is that did Q Tip, like, kill y' all on the back end of that record? [01:10:01] Speaker C: I don't even know, but okay. I mean, we performed it together at the Governor's Ball, like, maybe like a week after it came out. And he was telling me he loved a record, he let a record. But maybe that's cause of Checklist. I don't know. But, you know, but just getting his blessing from it was a good feeling. [01:10:16] Speaker A: That was good enough. [01:10:16] Speaker C: I remember, like, I made that record, like, I had got Covid, and I was like, I had, like, pneumonia and everything. Like, so I was like, you know, And I don't know if any of y' all had Covid before, but, like, hell, yeah. When you come back to, like, back to, like, around people, like, everything overstimulates you. Like, it's so, like, I thought I was gonna go out to, like, this little gathering and stuff, and everything was so bright loud, like, you know what I'm saying? And then I had to do rolling loud. Like, two days later. I'm like, how am I gonna get through this rolling loud set? Like, they screaming my name, my heart jumping up. Cause I'm like. I'm not adjusted yet. You know what I'm saying? And I got off stage, and, like, I was breathing hard and everything. And my manager was like, yeah, you gotta go to the studio tonight with Cool and Dre. I'm like. And I remember going there, and I'm like, man, I'm not trying to stay. And, like, they played me beats for, like, 10 minutes, and then they got to that one, and I just started, like, freestyle, like, take it off or whatever. And I'm like, all right, I'm done. And then the next day, Jerk's like, nigga. And then that's how that motherfucker came out. Like, what about my rushness? My eagerness to go back into my little private zone made me just not overthink that joke. [01:11:25] Speaker A: What about Cole's, like, bridge at the end? Was that him? That's his idea. [01:11:29] Speaker C: Yeah. Yeah, he sent that. He sent that with the verse. Like, I already knew. It was a callback to, like, the Wu Tang joint. [01:11:37] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:11:37] Speaker C: You know, saying, oh, my 40 and I got lifted. It gave me that vibe. [01:11:42] Speaker A: So you hit him up, was like. [01:11:44] Speaker C: I want you to jump on this. Yeah. Cause I had that joint floating for a while, like, in the dark pits of the bougie, bourgeois, Louisiana places. Some people was playing just the hooking, a little bit of the verse. And then EB Heard it, and then he was like, yo, let's get this joint done. And Sean Dickinson and E.B. you know, they had a little convo. And then Cole sent that joint over. [01:12:04] Speaker A: That's what's up Cole. [01:12:06] Speaker C: If Cole about to stop, though, like, we need to get one. We need to go. We need to do one more. Like, I don't not like. Like, I love. I love polka dot. But we got. We got rap Rap. [01:12:16] Speaker A: Oh, you want to like, Yeah, I. [01:12:18] Speaker C: Want to rap with you. Want to borrow rap with all the rappers. [01:12:20] Speaker B: Would you do one of the spiral ciphers? [01:12:24] Speaker C: Maybe. Maybe. I don't know how good I am at theatric rapping. Like, I don't know how good I am at. Like, I don't know. [01:12:32] Speaker A: This is your problem, bro. You fucking wale. [01:12:36] Speaker C: Yeah, but I'm a perfectionist and a Virgo. [01:12:38] Speaker A: Like, I don't fuck all that, bro. [01:12:39] Speaker C: I don't know if I'm. I don't know if I would, like, be comfortable, like, doing the theatric stuff. I might. The theatrics, like, it ain't the. [01:12:47] Speaker A: It's. [01:12:49] Speaker C: There's some theater. [01:12:49] Speaker A: It's performance. [01:12:50] Speaker C: It's some theater that goes into that stuff. I mean, I've only seen one of them, but it looked like it was. They talked about it. It was kind of, like, acting it out and stuff like that. I don't know how I would do that. I'm not saying I can't. [01:13:04] Speaker B: You don't have to. You just rap. Oh, so it's just, like, leave the theatrics to the. That do theatrics. [01:13:10] Speaker C: Oh, so it's just, like a cipher? [01:13:12] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. [01:13:13] Speaker C: Oh, yeah. Maybe. Maybe. [01:13:15] Speaker A: Damn. [01:13:18] Speaker C: Sometimes I like to just rap, like, yo, I'm just gonna rap on this Nas's, like, joint. All right, cool. [01:13:22] Speaker B: Yeah, you can do that. [01:13:23] Speaker C: And then. And then. Then I just put it out and just move on. Like. Like, you know what I'm saying? Let the people decipher it like that. Like, rather than doing, like, you know, the social thing and doing, like, the whole, like, you know, that's just my style. I can't just put out freestyles, y'. All. You don't like that? [01:13:39] Speaker B: Oh, I love it. [01:13:39] Speaker A: That's all. [01:13:40] Speaker B: You see my shirt? [01:13:41] Speaker A: That's all she want. [01:13:42] Speaker C: Make niggas rap again. Yeah, I tried to do that. Yeah. I tried to do my camera's greatness jump. Y' all heard it, right? [01:13:49] Speaker B: I heard everything you dropped. [01:13:50] Speaker C: Thank you. But did we all pay attention? Probably not. People just heard it. Oh, he right. I'm saying some stuff in there. Don't worry, though. I'm gonna keep. I got, like, one or two more freestyles I'm gonna do. I just wanna warm up. [01:14:03] Speaker B: What are so this year, the one of the. [01:14:05] Speaker C: I might do one tonight. [01:14:07] Speaker B: You should do one tonight. [01:14:08] Speaker C: I'm gonna find the west coast beat. [01:14:09] Speaker B: Can I come? Can I pick the beat? [01:14:11] Speaker C: No. Maybe next time, though. [01:14:13] Speaker B: Next time. You don't even have a beat in my mind. You don't even know what the fuck. [01:14:16] Speaker C: You gonna rap on. I'm gonna think of something. [01:14:19] Speaker B: I got a whole note. [01:14:20] Speaker C: I need some, like, Dazz or, like, some DJ Quicks. [01:14:23] Speaker A: You want an original Daz beat? [01:14:25] Speaker C: I want something that's a little familiar, but not overly done. I'm gonna think about it. [01:14:30] Speaker B: I got the whole note of beat. I'm doing a mixtape, so I have a Whole note of beats. I can see what I'm saying. [01:14:35] Speaker C: What are some of your favorite west coast beats? [01:14:37] Speaker B: Let's go to the next version. We gonna talk about the session tonight. [01:14:40] Speaker C: All right. [01:14:41] Speaker B: Okay. [01:14:41] Speaker C: Look serious. Paying for it. [01:14:43] Speaker B: What, the session? [01:14:44] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:14:44] Speaker B: You already going to the studio? [01:14:46] Speaker C: Am I? [01:14:47] Speaker B: You just said I'm gonna do it tonight. [01:14:49] Speaker C: It could be a studio. It could be. [01:14:51] Speaker B: We can set a session up right now. I don't know who you think you. [01:14:55] Speaker C: I like what she. [01:14:55] Speaker B: We got. We got studios all around here. [01:14:57] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:14:58] Speaker B: Don't play. [01:14:58] Speaker C: Okay. [01:14:59] Speaker B: We can go up to the eighth floor. [01:15:00] Speaker C: Okay. [01:15:01] Speaker B: We can't go. No. What's Rock Nation? [01:15:04] Speaker A: Oh, Rock Nation's on six. [01:15:05] Speaker B: Six. Sixth floor. I don't have no keys to that door. I'm really trolling. So. This year marks the 20th year for one of the best R and B albums of all time. The Way it Is. Keisha Cole. And you are currently on tour with her? [01:15:19] Speaker C: Yep. How are y' all working? I'm doing. I did one show yesterday. Baltimore. I did one show in Baltimore, and I'm doing LA Crypto joint. [01:15:28] Speaker B: Are you. Are you guys working on any music? [01:15:30] Speaker C: She busy, man. She put her all on. She been killing it with the tour, so. But I'm sure, like, that's my dog. Like, we really. You know what I'm saying? We really be talking to each other, checking on each other. So. [01:15:40] Speaker B: You know what would be dope? Just as a Wale fan, just do, like, some flips, like, for from the Way It Is album. [01:15:47] Speaker C: I changed my mind. I don't love you no more. I was thinking about that when I seen her performing. I was like, this might make some sense to jump on that. [01:15:55] Speaker B: And it's the 20th year. [01:15:57] Speaker C: Yeah. What else? [01:15:59] Speaker B: What other albums? [01:16:00] Speaker C: No, what else from Keisha that I could rap on that. You would think. [01:16:05] Speaker A: She's a R and B head, bro. [01:16:06] Speaker B: What's the one a week of B? Falling out of love. [01:16:11] Speaker C: That's too slow. [01:16:12] Speaker B: What, you want some fashion? [01:16:14] Speaker C: Got it. Okay. [01:16:14] Speaker B: What about Change My mind? [01:16:16] Speaker C: That's what I just said. [01:16:17] Speaker B: I'm tired of the bullshit. Competing with these other chicks. You. Da, da, da. Guess what. I'm leaving you. [01:16:23] Speaker C: Different album, though. [01:16:24] Speaker B: No, that's. Guess who I mean, Guess what. [01:16:25] Speaker C: Okay. I'm gonna listen to it on the way back and see. [01:16:29] Speaker A: Oh, you know what I always wanted to ask you. This is a. I never had a chance. [01:16:32] Speaker C: How do I put it out? How do I put out freestyle? [01:16:34] Speaker B: Just drop that motherfucker. [01:16:35] Speaker C: Like, where, though? [01:16:36] Speaker A: Do it on your YouTube, Twitter. [01:16:37] Speaker C: Twitter. [01:16:38] Speaker A: YouTube. [01:16:38] Speaker C: YouTube, yeah. Or Twitter was one. [01:16:40] Speaker A: Both. [01:16:41] Speaker C: Both combinations. I'm learning. I'm learning. I'm learning how I work now. Because don't nobody really do that, so. [01:16:47] Speaker A: People don't do that. [01:16:47] Speaker B: What are you talking about? [01:16:48] Speaker C: People don't do the other people be like, it's not. It's not. [01:16:51] Speaker A: Yes. [01:16:51] Speaker C: It's not a norm right now, so do it. Of course. What the. [01:16:56] Speaker B: I'm telling you right now, you finna piss me off. [01:16:59] Speaker C: Damn you. [01:16:59] Speaker B: All I want to hear is while they rap. That's all I want. [01:17:02] Speaker C: It don't matter where you drop it, man. Y' all my peers. I'm asking y', all, how does it. Okay, do I put up a link, the download link, or, like. [01:17:10] Speaker B: No, I don't need that shit on my Apple Music. I'm gonna run it up on YouTube regardless. [01:17:14] Speaker A: Upload it to YouTube. Don't monetize it. Upload it to. Just post it as a post on your. [01:17:19] Speaker C: Yeah, I would never monetize it now on your Twitter. [01:17:21] Speaker A: That's it. That's all we need. [01:17:22] Speaker B: You got some shit on your phone right now, huh? [01:17:24] Speaker A: Yeah, he got some shit in there. [01:17:25] Speaker C: No, I've got my album. I got a couple. [01:17:27] Speaker A: Like, I want to hear that, too, but this is my last question, because I never had a chance to ask you this in 2013. You dropped the Gifted, right? You dropped the Gifted project. And the last. Or, no, it wasn't the last song. Black Heroes on Black Heroes, and then you had the outro about nothing. You put Jerry Seinfeld on the song called Black Heroes, right? Were you trolling? [01:17:53] Speaker C: Nah, because it was more so, like, the song is over. And on Gifted, every song ends with the way the next one begins. Like, I'll say something or I'll do, like, a little like a vampire. Like, every song goes into it. Like, no matter what, if you listen back to, like, the last five seconds, I'm, like, saying something. [01:18:17] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:18:18] Speaker C: So that was just me introducing the album About Nothingness is coming next. You know what I'm saying? [01:18:23] Speaker A: Get the fuck out of here. [01:18:25] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:18:26] Speaker A: Oh, the outro about Nothing. The intro. Son of a bitch. [01:18:29] Speaker C: Yeah, so that was just me saying, like, yeah, we're gonna keep. [01:18:31] Speaker A: Oh, you good, nigga. Nigga. That was 2013. And then the album about nothing came out in 2015. You planned the two. You planned it two years out. Yeah, Yeah. [01:18:42] Speaker C: I mean. Cause a lot of that. [01:18:43] Speaker A: I don't have no more questions. [01:18:44] Speaker C: Atlantic didn't want me to do this. [01:18:45] Speaker A: Got me up. [01:18:46] Speaker C: Atlantic didn't want me to do. They didn't want me to do it with him. They wanted me to do like a black comedian. I'm like, that's not. There's no. The juxtaposition isn't as stark. If we get like, you know what I'm saying? Kevin Hart or like whoever popping it gotta be somebody like Jerry like speaks in like philosophy a lot of times and it's easier to make music that's like, you know, so that was an uphill battle too though. [01:19:10] Speaker B: But Kevin Hart was the option. [01:19:12] Speaker C: I mean, I remember my Kaiser brought it up and I was like, I don't think like my fans Already know the 2 mixtape about nothings, more about nothing. So I gotta, you know, this is the third and it's the first one that we actually gonna put out. So I was. [01:19:27] Speaker A: Bro, fuck all of that. You planned a 2. You had a 2 year rollout that you pre planned for the next album. [01:19:34] Speaker C: I did a mixtape before. I did a mixtape the right after Gifted the next year and then I put Gifted out. So I didn't take two years off. I just. Whatever mixtape. [01:19:44] Speaker A: Oh. [01:19:44] Speaker C: So. [01:19:44] Speaker A: Okay, okay. [01:19:46] Speaker C: All right, all right. [01:19:47] Speaker A: I was about to say this. [01:19:48] Speaker C: Yeah, I put out Festivus and right before I put out. [01:19:53] Speaker A: Yeah, it was. It was in between two. [01:19:54] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah. [01:19:55] Speaker A: Okay. That's crazy though. Still, go ahead and do your thing because I know you wanted the car for. [01:20:00] Speaker B: I have a card game called Whole Fashions from my podcast called Whole Fashions where I get into rapper's business. [01:20:07] Speaker C: Okay. [01:20:09] Speaker B: You can purchase it on hopefessions.com. so I have these cards. I would like for you to read the card. Don't flip it over here. Duh, duh. I would like for you to read the card and then answer the question on the card. And if you don't know the answer or don't want to answer the question on the card like you ducking, then you can head the card and he can answer the question. [01:20:27] Speaker A: That's some bullshit. [01:20:28] Speaker C: So I'm just going, okay, well this, this is easy. Okay, ready? Get ready. [01:20:35] Speaker A: You gotta read it. [01:20:37] Speaker B: Read it out loud. [01:20:37] Speaker C: Spit a freestyle. Let the person next to you search your phone for the word swallow. Well, so you got to give. You got to. You got to give. [01:20:46] Speaker A: She already seen what's in my phone. [01:20:48] Speaker C: Well, she can. Well, that's the. [01:20:49] Speaker B: Let's see if you got something new. [01:20:51] Speaker A: It ain't nothing new. [01:20:51] Speaker B: Okay, go to the next one. [01:20:53] Speaker A: She. She already searched my phone. [01:20:54] Speaker C: This shit's aggressive. I don't know if I Can. What's the pettiest reason you cut someone? Damn. [01:21:09] Speaker B: You got a lot. [01:21:10] Speaker C: Nah, but you know, the petty. Be like specific sometimes. [01:21:14] Speaker A: Barbara stole your phone. [01:21:22] Speaker C: Man. Maybe like just things that just didn't align with my. Like me as a person. Like the overly. Like I'm never the person that like police what you wear, what you do, whatever. Like, but like, oh, you like you finding new, new. New dates to go to the same place, the same club. Like I'm like, I need. I need some. I need some. I need to feel alive. I need to be stimulated more like lack of that, like, you know what I'm saying? I guess like no passion for like life. Passion for like work, you know what I'm saying? That's like a turn off. And. And I've like kind of kamikaze a couple joints when I felt like I was wasting my time. Yeah, take a shot. If you've ever had sex at a party or a social setting. Oh, that's like a. Isn't that like a. You go to jail. [01:22:16] Speaker A: It's called a lewd act. [01:22:17] Speaker C: Yeah, that's crazy. You wrote this? [01:22:20] Speaker A: She wrote all them cards. [01:22:21] Speaker B: Have you done it? [01:22:22] Speaker C: No. [01:22:23] Speaker B: Have you? [01:22:23] Speaker C: You gotta have the corn, man. [01:22:25] Speaker B: So what the fuck you talking about all these laws for? [01:22:27] Speaker A: That's the question. [01:22:27] Speaker B: But you was like, ooh, pass this. [01:22:29] Speaker C: Card to the cheater in the room. [01:22:31] Speaker A: Yes, exactly. [01:22:34] Speaker C: The way you just barked at him like, no, no. What the fuck you, nigga? I'm like, oh, no, no, that's. [01:22:38] Speaker A: I just break up. [01:22:39] Speaker C: That's cheater. That's cheater. [01:22:40] Speaker B: I've never been in a relationship. [01:22:41] Speaker C: Never. Okay, cheetah, Cheetah, pumpkin eater, for sure never been in a relationship. All right. [01:22:48] Speaker B: Claiming people is crazy. [01:22:50] Speaker C: Claiming people is crazy. [01:22:53] Speaker B: I'm not out here claiming niggas. [01:22:55] Speaker C: Sometimes you gotta take them. Ls though, man. Like, that's who make us who we are. Your friend is about to die. Then the only way for them to survive is if your wife, husband performs oral sex on you. Them in front of you. This is like something that could have been like on the sketch in the courtroom lately. Like oral sex in front of you. [01:23:22] Speaker B: But where's your friends to survive? [01:23:24] Speaker C: I mean, you know, you got. We want to keep our friends alive, but like, you know, that's. This is. That's dark. That's dark. I don't want any feedback of what to rap on no more because I don't want to know. I don't know what's going on. That mind, man. That mind, man. Don't get fooled by the innocent face I know now, like, if your friend's gonna die, she's a lizard. Somebody sucks somebody up. [01:23:47] Speaker B: Are you subbing me right now? [01:23:48] Speaker A: She's a. Yes, he is. [01:23:49] Speaker B: Oh, you. [01:23:50] Speaker A: You didn't know that? [01:23:51] Speaker C: What is the worst thing you found while going through your girl's phone? Oh, man. When I was living in. When I first got my, like. This is my, like, around my first album. Had a small Soho jump. And I. I remember I left the country for like a month and. And I seen. I checked that phone. That makes you a man, man. So. Yeah, especially when it's. [01:24:16] Speaker A: What'd you see? [01:24:18] Speaker C: I mean, some texts that I just. That I never thought I would see. [01:24:21] Speaker B: Like, oh, okay, she was complimenting her. [01:24:23] Speaker C: I mean, it just looked like something that I ain't want to see, and I just blocked it out of my. Something happened. [01:24:30] Speaker A: You stayed with her? [01:24:32] Speaker C: No. [01:24:33] Speaker B: What year is this? I need to go to the catalog. [01:24:35] Speaker C: I don't remember. It was a long. It was before my debut. [01:24:39] Speaker A: It was before my debut. [01:24:42] Speaker C: What did Keisha Cole say? She should have done cheated. That's an easy one. Thanks. Name all the Moishe's boyfriends. [01:24:50] Speaker A: What? [01:24:52] Speaker C: Romeo? Both. Hakeem. They both passed away. That's crazy. Sticky fingers. That's all I know. That's his name on there? Yeah, yeah. [01:25:03] Speaker A: That's the only one I remember. [01:25:04] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:25:04] Speaker B: Oh, Haji. Oh, oh, oh, Haji is. You just said it. [01:25:08] Speaker C: Hakeem. [01:25:09] Speaker B: Nah, the one that died. [01:25:11] Speaker C: Oh, Marilyn Santana. [01:25:13] Speaker B: Marlon Santana. Yeah. [01:25:15] Speaker C: That's his real name. [01:25:16] Speaker B: No, no, his name. Ohaji on the show. [01:25:18] Speaker A: His name as well. [01:25:19] Speaker C: That story is very sad. [01:25:20] Speaker B: Yeah, it is. [01:25:21] Speaker C: That's crazy. And I was out here, right? There's so many things about this place. It's like. I don't think a lot of people that don't. That only come here for a little bit. I don't think they understand. [01:25:36] Speaker A: They don't get it. [01:25:36] Speaker C: It's like really, really, really. Like when they say it's like three different LA's. For real. It's like. It's really. You know what I'm saying? [01:25:43] Speaker B: That's why you niggas shouldn't be walking. [01:25:46] Speaker C: Gotta get that vitamin D, man. Have you ever injured yourself during sex? Oh, man, no. And let's hope that never happens. [01:25:57] Speaker B: Have you injured someone? [01:25:58] Speaker C: No. No. Why did Stoney fuck Nate? Who are these people? [01:26:04] Speaker B: You don't know? [01:26:05] Speaker C: No. What are they? [01:26:07] Speaker B: I thought we was like, what movie is this if you don't know the name? [01:26:11] Speaker C: Stoney and Nate Yeah. No. What? What is this? Can you put me on? [01:26:17] Speaker B: Set it off. [01:26:18] Speaker C: Oh, I seen it. Wait, which one was Nate? [01:26:22] Speaker B: The one Stoney fucked? [01:26:23] Speaker A: Stoney was Jada Pinkett. [01:26:24] Speaker C: Okay, see, that's better. [01:26:26] Speaker B: I'm in a bind, Nate, and I. [01:26:27] Speaker C: Don'T remember now, but when the last. [01:26:29] Speaker B: Time you seen set at all. [01:26:30] Speaker C: The thing is not how long ago I seen this. It's how much content and media I've absorbed since last seeing it. I can't even remember the last. Like, some Netflix joints I watched in, like, two days. I can't even remember. [01:26:41] Speaker B: What's your hood? Classics? Favorite hood. [01:26:44] Speaker C: I do like. I do Love, Love, Just Funny Brothers, The Wood Boys in the hood. Friday, all the Fridays. Thin line between love and hate. [01:27:03] Speaker B: You just saying LA shit. [01:27:04] Speaker C: You like la? That ain't. That ain't LA shit. All of those are la Not Love Jones, okay? Not Love Jones, damn. It is. [01:27:12] Speaker B: But I mean, all the rest of them, you said. [01:27:14] Speaker C: But no, they gave us a lot of material in the late 90s and early 2000s. They really did. They really did. Like, John Singer's a. God rest his soul. Like, he really did. Like, you know what I'm saying? Cause we ain't really had nothing like that was like, that joint made a lot of us men, you know what I'm saying? [01:27:32] Speaker A: So we have out here, just so people who are familiar, we have LA Hood classics, right? You got the boys in the hood. [01:27:38] Speaker B: Baby Boy. [01:27:39] Speaker A: Baby Boy. So I look at. [01:27:40] Speaker C: Ain't it true Pac was supposed to be Baby Boy? [01:27:42] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:27:43] Speaker C: For real? [01:27:43] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:27:44] Speaker C: So you think he would have done it, right? [01:27:46] Speaker B: Yep. [01:27:47] Speaker C: Hell, yeah. It would have been. [01:27:48] Speaker A: He got actors. [01:27:49] Speaker C: It would have been completely different. [01:27:50] Speaker A: It would have been a different little. It would have been a little different. [01:27:51] Speaker B: He would have never got beat up. [01:27:53] Speaker A: Boys in the Hood, basically two Las, right? Boys in the Hood basically takes place on the west side of la. Menace of Society takes place on the east side of la. That's a good way to look at shit. [01:28:02] Speaker C: Minister Society. For some reason, that joint like, that joint scared me when I was little. [01:28:06] Speaker A: It's treacherous. [01:28:07] Speaker C: Cause I'm like, bro, like, that shit going on outside right now. Like, I'm scared. That shit kind of fucked niggas up, like. [01:28:15] Speaker A: So I wanna ask you. What? [01:28:16] Speaker C: There was no good guys in that jump? [01:28:18] Speaker A: Not really. Well, it's a good guy turned bad and then he ended up, you know, met his game. [01:28:22] Speaker B: O Dog was a good guy. [01:28:24] Speaker A: Nah, Kane was a good guy. He got turned. [01:28:25] Speaker C: Nah, I think he was fucked up off the break. Though, for real. Like, hell no. Nah, man. [01:28:30] Speaker A: Old Dog corrupted him. [01:28:31] Speaker C: Nah. [01:28:31] Speaker B: Sharif was a good guy, too. [01:28:33] Speaker C: Did you ever hear that? Sharif was a guy that was supposed. [01:28:35] Speaker B: To be Tupac, too. [01:28:35] Speaker C: Did you ever hear the fan theory of that? Odog's not really there. What I've heard that, like, O Dog was not. He wasn't a real. He's not. He's like, whatever. Like, he's like, his conscience. [01:28:48] Speaker B: So who shot them? [01:28:49] Speaker A: You can't say that no more. [01:28:51] Speaker B: Pb Bleep that. [01:28:52] Speaker C: Asians. [01:28:54] Speaker A: They took that word away from us. I'm sorry. So my question is, what. What story do we have? Like, what movie do we have to reference D.C. culture in that way? [01:29:04] Speaker C: Me working on it, though. [01:29:05] Speaker A: Cause I don't. I don't. I called E40 one day, and I was like, yo, what's the Bay Area story? Like, our boys talked about it. [01:29:11] Speaker C: Me and my mans always talk about. I've been. I've been trying to, you know, get some things done. Cause we got rich history, like. [01:29:17] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:29:18] Speaker C: But my theory is that. This is my theory, you know, not to get on my 10 4. But I think that showing the crack era, which is really ingrained in our, like, everything in D.C. but showing that and, like, letting people know how literally how close that was to the White House, makes America look really bad. So it's easy to be like, yeah, we can greenlight a Paid in full even, you know? Cause that's in New York. That's not by the White House. But, like, when we was the murder capital in a small, little, little, small, little area, you know, like, you don't really want to know. Like, they don't really want to know how them things was coming in and coming out. People was dying, you know, like, how much crack was just ravaging everything, like, on Hollywood stage. Like, I don't know if you really want. I don't think America really wants that. You know, I can see that. [01:30:11] Speaker A: So you think that. You think that there's a. [01:30:13] Speaker C: Like, Dave stayed from the crib, Taraji. Like, Martin. Like, that joint could have. We could have got our story off a long time ago. So it made me think that something is holding it back. [01:30:22] Speaker A: You think it's politically charged. [01:30:25] Speaker C: We right by the thing. We right by the White House. You know what I'm saying? And a lot of us never even been there. You know what I'm saying? Like, even in school, nobody cared about that joint. For real. [01:30:35] Speaker A: Like, that last question. I don't know if you'll answer or not. Hopefully, you Do. What's the album title? [01:30:43] Speaker C: Oh, you'll be one of the first to know. You'll be one of the first to know. I gotta. I gotta announce it a certain way. Not really sure how, but okay. [01:30:50] Speaker B: Oh, you not gonna say it? [01:30:51] Speaker C: I've a. I've a. I mean, I've already. There's some content I gotta do, and if I tell you now, the content is pointless. [01:30:59] Speaker B: Can you tell me of the thing? [01:31:01] Speaker A: What she trying to get to the studio. What's the name of the album? I want to know. The people want to know. What's the name of. [01:31:08] Speaker C: I can tell you what it's about. [01:31:10] Speaker A: Okay. [01:31:10] Speaker C: It's really, like, everything from blanco to where to start. Like, trying to figure out what it looked like. Trying to. Trying to do this thing, like, do right by somebody, you know, Trying to figure out where I am in my field of work, like, and trying to figure out balancing the D.C. stuff that's going on daily and the industry stuff, like juggling both of them, you know, and just where I'm at, like, in my mind, like, where exactly I'm at. There's some fun moments. There's some, like. Just some stuff that'll just make your head stand up. Like, there's all type of moments on there, but it's a collection of all the things that's going on in real time. And in the past two years, since our. Four years since I dropped. [01:32:05] Speaker A: I. I didn't. I don't know what that name of the album is off of that. What do you. [01:32:09] Speaker C: I said I can't tell you. [01:32:10] Speaker A: No, I know, but I'm saying. I'm trying to extrapolate. [01:32:14] Speaker C: But when you. When you. But when you hear it, you're going to be like, okay, I get it. Oh, I get it. Okay, so. And I may or may not even mention. I may or may or not mentioned it and where to start? The title. So, yeah. [01:32:25] Speaker B: Oh, I could tell you what it is. [01:32:27] Speaker C: Nah, cuz, you going to just keep guessing and then. [01:32:30] Speaker B: All right, if I say Family Feud, we don't gotta do it right here. But if I guess it, are you. [01:32:35] Speaker C: Gonna tell me how many guesses you get? [01:32:37] Speaker B: Two guesses unlimited, nigga. [01:32:38] Speaker C: Two. [01:32:39] Speaker A: See, you get two guesses. [01:32:40] Speaker C: See, she can never be on one of them shows, man. [01:32:43] Speaker B: Well, I was following the rules. [01:32:44] Speaker C: You writing them as we go, but. Okay, you wanna ask. You could just read the song then and be like, yo, is it where to start? Is it like. You could just say. You know what I mean? Like, two. [01:32:54] Speaker B: I'm not Gonna guess it right now. I'm gonna guess it and I'm gonna hit you and tell you, and then you gotta really tell me if it is that. [01:32:59] Speaker A: Okay, bro, so the new album, we don't have a title for it. [01:33:04] Speaker C: Honey, when you think, can I can stop, like, saying what the album title is? Huh? [01:33:11] Speaker A: Man, I call Cass Casno. I would get the FaceTime and everybody in this. You know what I'm saying? What's the name of the album? [01:33:18] Speaker C: If I can get the content, then I, I, I. I'll send them to both of y' all before it come out. [01:33:22] Speaker A: Okay? Bet. [01:33:22] Speaker C: Okay. That way I can at least get some feedback too. Know why he was talking? That's all I'm saying. Yeah. [01:33:27] Speaker A: All right. For sure. [01:33:28] Speaker B: Wait, wait, hold on. He said one of the words in the song or one of the. [01:33:33] Speaker A: What you say when he was giving us a description. [01:33:37] Speaker C: I. I could explain it. Like, we gotta shoot the joint, though. We definitely gotta shoot the thing. The trailer. We gotta shoot the trailer. [01:33:48] Speaker B: All right, Take. Take the glasses off. Give me something. [01:33:52] Speaker A: Give me something. [01:33:54] Speaker C: I just played that little sick game. Your little sick ass game, masochist type shit. Yeah. [01:34:03] Speaker A: Okay. A couple of fan questions is, what is Wale do? Wale? [01:34:08] Speaker B: You on my Twitter. [01:34:09] Speaker A: No. What is Wale's relationship with mmg? [01:34:14] Speaker C: Me and Ross is good. Like, we're good. We talked, right? [01:34:18] Speaker A: Like, oh, it says MMG and Meek. But I just. [01:34:21] Speaker C: I mean, I haven't talked to Meek in a long time, but I don't got no, no love lost. I don't got no issue with nobody. Like, and it's still, like, I still respect everything that we did as a collective and everything Ross did for me, and that's still my man. [01:34:32] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:34:32] Speaker C: I don't ever. I don't got nothing ever bad to say about Ross. [01:34:35] Speaker A: Has Wale feel like he ever got out wrapped on a record? [01:34:39] Speaker C: No, no, no. But there are some caveats to that. Like, you know, beautiful bliss. Like, like, you know, because me and Cole used to hang every day. And he wasn't on. No, he wasn't on nothing. Like, he was. He was like, not. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. And I think me and Rich Kleiman at the time, he's like, yo, we should put J. Cole on this joint. And I was like, yeah, you know, Cole and E.B. we used to just be in the studio at Mark Ronson Studio just playing on the little basketball machine. And he be in one room, I be in the other room. So, like, I see the work he putting in, and I'm like, this nigga tight, like, you know what I'm saying? So, like, he did that verse, and I'm like, all right, cool. You got it all. Cause I thought that was gonna be his first ever feature. I thought that was gonna be his first one. And then friggin, like, he just got, like. From the time he did that verse, he just got more and more. And then hov put him on Stars Born. I was this close to being on that joint, but I got, like, outvoted or something. But he was on that jump, and, like, it was just a double, like, you know what I'm saying? So people say he got me on that. And I still think my second verse is. It equals it out. But that's the caveat. Maybe. But I don't think I got rapped on nothing before. [01:35:53] Speaker A: Okay. [01:35:54] Speaker B: Did you find a black Bonnie? [01:35:58] Speaker C: Yeah, I have. [01:36:01] Speaker B: Yeah, somebody told me. I asked you that on Twitter. [01:36:03] Speaker C: Yeah, I have at one point. [01:36:07] Speaker A: Okay, that's it. I don't have more fan questions. Well, we'll get the album title at some point. [01:36:15] Speaker C: We'll go. Great job journalizing. [01:36:18] Speaker A: Journalizing, yeah. [01:36:19] Speaker C: Yeah, I know a great job. [01:36:20] Speaker A: Thank you. [01:36:20] Speaker C: You know, we got the good cop back. I don't. [01:36:23] Speaker B: Who the. The bad guy. I'm not the bad cop. [01:36:25] Speaker C: I think. I think it changes. I think it changes. I think it's like, you think we. [01:36:30] Speaker A: Play good cop, bad cop? I don't have nothing to do with. [01:36:32] Speaker C: I don't. Y' all don't. But y' all, like. Cuz then when I. I started getting a little scared, like, I'm like, let me go right over, cuz. Like. Like, when she's like, yo, cuz, we. [01:36:42] Speaker B: Was talking about rap. [01:36:43] Speaker C: Yeah, I know, bro. [01:36:44] Speaker B: I get excited about. [01:36:45] Speaker C: I know. I get it. I get it. I'm like, yo, I said, okay, like. [01:36:51] Speaker A: You know, give me all your. [01:36:54] Speaker C: She was like a little mop, baby. [01:36:57] Speaker B: I'm sorry. [01:36:57] Speaker C: N. But yeah, you know, it's cool here, though. Like, you gotta do this more often. [01:37:01] Speaker B: You come to whole fashions. [01:37:04] Speaker A: You gotta play that sick ass car. [01:37:06] Speaker C: Yeah. Some of them questions make. We might have to have my publicist, like, feel the shit. Yeah. But yeah, maybe. Maybe y' all gotta have some, like. [01:37:17] Speaker B: It'S like lip service. [01:37:18] Speaker C: Yeah, y' all gotta have, like, wine. [01:37:19] Speaker B: And like, oh, it's real sexy. Over. [01:37:21] Speaker A: No, it's sexy. She do the whole show. [01:37:23] Speaker C: And some have, like, a therapist outside of the. Like, I could talk. [01:37:26] Speaker B: No, it's not like that. [01:37:28] Speaker C: It is like, that over here. When I read that, I know it's like that. [01:37:31] Speaker B: No, over there, it's, like, cool. It's calm. It's sexy. We drink wine, wear pajamas and stuff. [01:37:35] Speaker C: Yeah, okay. [01:37:37] Speaker B: You get what I'm saying? [01:37:38] Speaker C: TLC vibe. [01:37:39] Speaker B: Yeah, it's like that. It's like that. Can I get a verse for my mixtape? [01:37:42] Speaker C: Maybe it's a budget. [01:37:44] Speaker B: No, it's no budget. [01:37:45] Speaker C: I'm just playing, man. Ah, we'll see. I'm trying to be on top of my. [01:37:50] Speaker B: You know, I don't need it to. [01:37:51] Speaker C: Next day niggas is rapping. I like. I like to submit my verses when it's like a week out. [01:37:56] Speaker A: My bad. I've been trying to rap. But two more things. I got it because I got you here. One is 100 miles of running with you with. With Logic. To me, that was like fire. Like, the way. The way y'. [01:38:06] Speaker C: All. [01:38:06] Speaker A: Like, I'm not a huge Logic fan, but that was hard. [01:38:09] Speaker C: Thank you. [01:38:10] Speaker A: And then are any plans to work with my brother, Eric Bellinger? [01:38:13] Speaker C: Like, I know y' all got hella right. [01:38:15] Speaker A: Like, I think I got a whole hard drive full of records. That's my bro. [01:38:18] Speaker C: I had a hard drive that's like, nah, man. He know how I feel about him and his family. That's my dog. Like, he just puts. He puts out so much music, I can't get him to be like, all right, come on, let's lock in project, you know what I'm saying? We talked about it, but it's like every time we get. He move you back on tour, you know, Like, I want to do a project. If I do a project with somebody, we gotta, like, really, really, like, you know, get into it. Like, it gotta feel like a whole thing. [01:38:46] Speaker A: But I think y' all could do, like a. Like a. Not a best of both worlds, but, like, something similar where y' all go out and, like, do the duality of it. [01:38:54] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:38:54] Speaker A: And y' all compliment each other. [01:38:55] Speaker C: And he got a classic. [01:38:56] Speaker A: And y' all pen. [01:38:57] Speaker C: Classic voice. He got clap. Like, some people need a lot of stuff on it. He don't need much. Like, he don't need much on his stuff. Like, he definitely. He probably like, my favorite person to work with, and I haven't got in with him. [01:39:10] Speaker A: That's what's up. [01:39:11] Speaker B: Is the album, like, Sex Playlist heavy? [01:39:14] Speaker C: Not really, unfortunately. [01:39:16] Speaker A: Lyrics. [01:39:17] Speaker B: Ear Whispers. [01:39:18] Speaker C: It's a lot of. A lot. It's a lot. It's a lot of heavy lyrics. A lot of. It's a lot of personal stuff. On it. It's probably my most personal. Know what I'm saying? [01:39:25] Speaker A: Really? Yeah, cuz you kind of an emotional, so. [01:39:28] Speaker C: Yeah, well, maybe it's my superpower. [01:39:31] Speaker B: Have you ever. [01:39:31] Speaker C: Some of these was more. Was more emotional, they'd have more emotion. Oh, a lot of these saying anything. [01:39:37] Speaker A: And you just reacted. [01:39:38] Speaker C: It's not. [01:39:38] Speaker B: That was bored. [01:39:39] Speaker C: If my emotions is what's got me this far. [01:39:42] Speaker B: Have you ever regretted being emotional in music? [01:39:44] Speaker C: Hell yeah. [01:39:45] Speaker B: Being vulnerable. [01:39:46] Speaker C: Yeah. I talked about like, having ptsd, like, about how the awards made me feel and like people was like using that to like, like, call me a failure. You feel me? Like, I'm like, damn, this why niggas don't never really share nothing. You feel me? Like, and like. Or every time I try to share something, it's like, oh, you whining, you complaining. Like, so it's. Yeah, like, you know, sometimes I hate it. But that's just me. I'm gonna say what I gotta say. [01:40:13] Speaker A: Well, I'm just gonna tell you, you know, I have definitely seen both sides of you. Like, I've seen whatever they say and I've seen you be super like, on your shit. [01:40:23] Speaker C: But I think everybody got this duality. Yeah, everybody. That's what makes us, man. Like, we flawed like that facts. I'm sure Martin Luther King ain't wake up every day with a dream, like, you know what I'm saying? He probably had some nightmarish days too. [01:40:37] Speaker A: Like, that was a bar. Now that was a bar. You know what I'm saying? [01:40:42] Speaker C: I just think that mine is like more overt maybe sometimes. Cause like, I don't, like, I don't. I get uncomfortable quick in uncomfortable situations. Or if I'm upset, I can't like, hide it sometimes. Like, you know, I'm disappointed. I can't hide it sometimes. And again, on top of that, like, I'm not like, I'm not like overly like, talk to people. I don't know. You know what I'm saying? I'm more like, where am I going? Let me get there. And like, you know what I'm saying? Like, I don't, you know, So I don't think. I think we all got the duality. Like, we just seen her try to press you out. That was a press out. That was a press out. [01:41:16] Speaker A: She crashed out. [01:41:16] Speaker B: Wait, when? [01:41:17] Speaker C: I don't like how they been misusing that either, man. [01:41:19] Speaker A: Oh, Crash. [01:41:20] Speaker C: Crash out used to really mean something. [01:41:22] Speaker A: Yeah, I know that means like you. [01:41:23] Speaker C: Threw your whole life away like you did something crazy, like you shot somebody's shit up or like, now they're like, oh, such and such. Crashes out on such and such. Because he got mad for a second. But again, that's the Internet. [01:41:37] Speaker A: But look, bro, I was about to give you your flowers and your props, like, I appreciate you be willing to. Cause I know you said you not doing no more media. Thank you for coming here. [01:41:48] Speaker C: Thank you for having me. [01:41:49] Speaker A: You always welcome. Hopefully we get the album early. We gonna get the content with the album title early. I'm not gonna leak it. That's not what I do here. [01:41:57] Speaker B: He leaked Big Sean album. [01:41:58] Speaker A: I did not leak Sean album. Why you keep telling niggas that? Reddit said. [01:42:02] Speaker C: Who said that? [01:42:03] Speaker B: Reddit. [01:42:03] Speaker A: That's crazy. Reddit said that. [01:42:06] Speaker C: I did not leak Shine. Certain people that you don't mess, you just leave them alone because that leak thing is crazy. [01:42:12] Speaker A: I didn't leak. Nobody's out. [01:42:13] Speaker B: No, I don't think you should send him nothing. [01:42:14] Speaker A: What? That's dirty macking. [01:42:17] Speaker B: I know. [01:42:18] Speaker A: I'm. [01:42:18] Speaker B: Don't duck it. [01:42:19] Speaker A: That's crazy. [01:42:20] Speaker C: Damn. [01:42:21] Speaker A: Anyway, thank you for coming, bro. She. You remember. You remember early, she couldn't even talk, you know what I'm saying? Now she's talking to you. [01:42:28] Speaker C: She in her back, you know what I'm saying? Duality. [01:42:30] Speaker A: Yeah, that. But thank you. But thank you for coming, bro. You're welcome anytime, you know what I'm saying? Whenever you want to pull up and give us the album title. Thank you. You know what I'm saying? [01:42:41] Speaker C: We'll take some raps now we going to the studio. You got any motivation? [01:42:45] Speaker B: Yeah, I could be a muse. [01:42:47] Speaker C: Oh, yeah. [01:42:51] Speaker A: It's effective immediately.