Ab-Soul On New Album “Soul Burger”, TDE, J. Cole Feature/Response & MORE❗️| Effective Immediately

[00:00:04] Speaker A: Yo, what's. Effective immediately, I'm DJ head. [00:00:06] Speaker B: What up, world? It's your favorite homegirl. Gina views. [00:00:09] Speaker A: Special guest at the studio. No stranger to myself, my brother, Dahomey, representing Carson, California. Delamo, to be exact. Absol solo ho. [00:00:18] Speaker C: Yes, sir. Yes, sir. [00:00:19] Speaker A: Welcome to the new crib, bro. [00:00:21] Speaker C: Solo. I'm loving it. [00:00:22] Speaker A: You know what I'm saying? We got the blue light digging the digs. You know what I'm saying? [00:00:26] Speaker C: Yeah. The new digs is real. That's crazy. We got Gina in the house. What's up, gang? You feel me? Yeah. No thumbs down. All thumbs up. [00:00:35] Speaker A: All thumbs up. [00:00:36] Speaker C: All thumbs up. [00:00:38] Speaker A: As you should. Hey, bro. First and foremost, congratulations on, you know, completing a new body of work. [00:00:45] Speaker C: Thank you. [00:00:46] Speaker A: Thank you. You know, you beat the curse. You ain't went. You didn't go away for four years. [00:00:51] Speaker C: Yeah, man. [00:00:52] Speaker A: You know what I'm saying? That's been a conversation that you and I have had, right. But you haven't had it publicly. All right, let's get that out the way right now. Why didn't you want to wait that long again to come back out? [00:01:05] Speaker C: Well, you know, not only would it be, like, it being, like, a personal goal of mine to challenge myself, because, you know, we just been firm on, you know, quality over quantity and, like, just really taking our times with body of work. Cause, you know, I came up, you know, source magazine. I want five mics every time. Like, I don't just be. I don't just be rapping to be rapping. Like, I need a. [00:01:30] Speaker B: You really like that? [00:01:31] Speaker C: Yeah, I'm really. Yeah, I really like that. [00:01:34] Speaker A: You Mc's Mc. [00:01:37] Speaker C: The rapper's rapper, you know. But artists, though, so, you know, I. You know, I move on that accord, and I don't like to be a slave to time, either. You feel what I'm saying? It's long term. It's big long term, you know, flush. [00:01:51] Speaker A: Flush. [00:01:52] Speaker C: So, you know, that's what that's about. And then just also, you know, just. Just trying to stay current, you know, it's a lot of, you know, the industry is moving real fast. Like, what's, like 3000 new songs getting released a day? The number is crazy. Yeah. Like, you know, so many. It's recording songs on their phone and throwing it. [00:02:14] Speaker B: Like people dropping anything. [00:02:16] Speaker C: Yeah. Like, you know. You know, hey, and get your, you know, get yours, you know. You know, I gotta do without will tattoo on my back. Get yours by any means. But, you know, we still gonna try to, you know, stick to the. Stick to the essence. Of it. And just, you know, when I release some to the universe, I try to make, you know, put my best foot forward. [00:02:34] Speaker A: So recipes to, you know, do burger. [00:02:37] Speaker C: Yes, sir. Long live. [00:02:38] Speaker A: Long live Doe burger. [00:02:39] Speaker C: Long live Doe burger. [00:02:41] Speaker A: With this project, obviously, people know, you know, soul burger, right, the project. And you and you both had. How long were y'all working on this project before, I guess before you put out the last album or. Cause I don't know. [00:02:52] Speaker C: No, no, I actually. I mean, the idea came to fruition, you know, after his transition, and, I mean, it's just something that was very important for me to do. Cause, like I said, I don't even know how I'm really still doing this without him. That's how, like, tight knit we were. And, like. And I just to make it clear that, like, he wasn't just like, you know, no hype man or hangaround. Hangaround entourage. He was really my little big homie. He was really, like, the star of it. He put the glow on it. You know what I'm saying? Like, you know me. Like, and I just been trying to channel him. I got my hair braided. Like, that was against my religion. Like, I got jewelry on. Like, I just be trying to. I've been trying to channel him, you know, through, you know, through this whole thing just to make sure I keep him alive, you know? And, you know, my best platform, my best way of doing that is obviously through the music. And, yeah, you know, this. You feel me? And this is, you know, obviously, you know, hence the title soul burger. It's the fusion of me and him. If you could, you know, if you into that. We was literally Huey and Riley from the boondocks. [00:04:07] Speaker A: Right. [00:04:08] Speaker C: You know what I'm saying? And, like, to where soul Burger is actually, like, this album is not me. It's a Soulberger. It's not. That's not me. It's like a new artist. It's not an absolute. This is not an absol project. This is a Soulberger project. So try to, you know, I recommend everybody kind of listen to it in terms of that. It's going to be. It's going to come in waves. You're going to hear me, and then you might hear me out of my element. If you're not familiar, if you haven't been following me. You don't know, though, like, that. You'll, like, see, like, you know, it comes in ways where I'm, like, maybe sound like a bit out of my element or whatnot. And there's gonna be times where it's a mix of us both. You know what I'm saying? Cause, you know, I am who I am, but, you know, always been like, I, like, I really. I'm really firm on just, you know, trying to differentiate myself and leave my fingerprint on the game, you know what I'm saying? And, you know, so this would be the album that I feel like he will want me to make. He used to be like, if I'm not rambling, am I rambling? [00:05:18] Speaker A: No, you good. [00:05:19] Speaker C: Ramble good. So he used to be like, just for context, he'd be like, man, so, like, yeah, and this how you sound, too? Yeah, real greedy. Like, real greediness. Like, bro, like, we go out to these shows, bro, and like, yeah, you like, you the best rapper and all that, cuz. But, like, they just be looking at you in all, cuz, like, they just be staring at you like, you know, in awe. But shit, when we go to Q show, he be having that shit jumping, like, we gotta. We gotta figure something out. Like, you know. Yeah, so, you know, this is my attempt at just really channeling him and making music that I feel like he would really like. And that's how I know he's really my dog. Because, like, I wouldn't. I'm not necessarily, like somebody that was, like, in his playlist. We didn't just sit back, like, listening to me all the time, like, you feel me? Like, he really messed with me just because he messed with me, not because he was, like, a real big fan of mine. Even I know he was there in the process, and he would let me know if something was dope or not, but it wasn't necessarily in his rotation, if that makes sense. You know what I'm saying? So, yeah, so you feel me? Hence soul burger. He did. [00:06:43] Speaker B: For the people who don't know, can you just speak to his impact on your life in general, man? [00:06:50] Speaker C: Like, he. He was really, like, none of a kind man. Like, you know, it's like, since I met him, he just, like, had a real. He had a real glow on him that I just could not explain. And anybody that knows him can attest, you know what I'm saying? To where I literally just started calling him Globurger. Like, you'll hear that, too, you know, always shouting out doe. Berger always said that, but, yeah, it. And transformed into Globeurger. But, you know, he was really heavily into the arts, you know, actual artwork, fashion, just in that regard. And he really had a great ear for music. He used to, like, call. He used to call artists like, early that was on the rise, like, yo, watch him go. You know what I'm saying? I feel like he caught. He, like, called Wiz. He called, like, when. When, uh. When two chains, like, came, you know, when on his. On his rebrand. You feel what I'm saying? Like, he would just, like, have a real ear. He, like, have premonitions, if you will. Like, he just had a, you know, he was. He was just heavily into the arts, you know, I'm saying? And, you know, he just taught me a lot in that regard. Like, gave me, you know, a lot of style and. And, you know, intel in that regard of the arts and how it all. How it all connects. So, like, you know, you might have seen them, like, you know, see, you know, see it's in, like, you know, quote unquote, like, designers, you know, fabrics or whatnot. But, like, it be one of one. Like, it's not about, like, the name brand. It's about, like, high quality. Like. And, you know, a lot of stuff you gonna see me in, like, is find somebody else with it. You know what I'm saying? Like, find, like, it ain't. You know what I mean? It's not about, like, just having, you know, logos on you and stuff like that, but it's real art. And would it these be hand stitched, handmade, like, people, like, going out of their way to find the best fabrics? And he's just really into it in that regard. And that's what I, like. I really respect, like, really awesome, you know? Uh, uh, not for nothing, uh, what's my. What's my man? Um. Damn. Why I can't think of his name right now? I mean, the great that just passed off white, I can't think of Virgil. [00:09:22] Speaker A: Oh, virgin. Oh, you like? Yeah, yeah. [00:09:24] Speaker C: Like, just like a creative mind create. Like, it's just like, telling you is just none of a kind. That's the best way I could put it. And he just. It just, like, how he did it, it just connect with all of the arts, all of the creatives, you know what I'm saying? [00:09:40] Speaker A: Did you already, like. Okay, actually, let's go back. I'm gonna go back first. I wanna go back to the phone call that you made to me. [00:09:49] Speaker C: Uh huh. Yeah. [00:09:50] Speaker A: For the last album. [00:09:51] Speaker C: Yeah. Early. [00:09:53] Speaker B: Early. [00:09:53] Speaker C: Okay. [00:09:54] Speaker A: Right. [00:09:54] Speaker C: I. [00:09:54] Speaker A: So you call me. I'm at the homegirl house, you like, I don't give fuck where you at, I'm pulling up. You pulled up to the homegirl house uninvited play on the pill. Oh, the Bluetooth speaker. [00:10:08] Speaker C: Yeah, real shit. [00:10:09] Speaker A: Play the music. And to me, that was the start of a new kind of direction for you, right? Because you was like, tell me what I'm missing. I'm like, well, you need a record. And you're like, what does that sound like? And you like, so then we went down that whole process. You put the album out and then you was like, whatever. You tell me to rap on, I'm a rap on it. I thought you was bullshit. [00:10:27] Speaker C: Right, exactly. [00:10:28] Speaker A: You proved me wrong. Right. You just rap. You was turning over the raps. [00:10:32] Speaker C: Real talk. And we even tried. We even tried. [00:10:34] Speaker A: I know, I know. But then you tell me, hey, I'm ready. Take me to Ty, right? I introduce you to Ty dollar sign. [00:10:41] Speaker C: Right? [00:10:42] Speaker A: You like, well, not introduce, like, we plugged in. [00:10:46] Speaker C: Yeah, we. We needed to plug in. [00:10:48] Speaker A: Okay, you get with Ty dollar sign. Shout out my man again. I thought you was bullshitting. [00:10:52] Speaker C: Correct. [00:10:53] Speaker A: Okay. [00:10:53] Speaker C: We locked in for sure. [00:10:55] Speaker A: So then you cut, like two or three records with Ty. I hear him, I'm like, oh, you really serious? [00:11:00] Speaker C: Yeah, I'm not playing. [00:11:01] Speaker A: So to me, that was the change for me in me, taking you out of the homie category is like, oh, no, he want to compete. [00:11:09] Speaker C: Correct. [00:11:10] Speaker A: Right. When did that transition happen for you? When did it go off in your mind? Like, you know what? Me and doe, we need to create some. Or me as absol. I need to create something, and I want to get in this pocket over here. [00:11:21] Speaker C: Well, because, you know, I just feel like I've been. I've been the underground emperor for so long, man. Like, and I. In a lot of ways, I feel like I've done what I came to do. It's not over, but, like, you know, I kind of, you know, I came in, I feel like, you know, just really wanted to be in the conversation of the dopest to ever do it. Like, having my contribution get the, you know, touch first and foremost, you know, touch people like that that I may not ever get the privilege to meet. Tell me all around the world, tell me that, you know, I'm the best to do it or that I, you know, I touch them or I change their lives, you know, in that regard, just as hip hop has done for me and, you know, like, gotten the, you know, the respect from my idols, even in my peers. But now, you know, now it's like, you know, I'm in it. Let me challenge myself to do it all. Let me not just stay, like, stay in my comfort zone and, you know, in my space. Like, for example, like our whole thing, like, the thing between me and you, like, early on, like, you wasn't really. You didn't really get, like. You wouldn't really. [00:12:35] Speaker A: I wasn't fucking with your shit. [00:12:35] Speaker C: You wasn't really fucking. Yeah, no, call it like it is. You wasn't fucking with. [00:12:38] Speaker A: No, I wasn't fucking with none of your shit. [00:12:39] Speaker C: Right, right. But, like, long term. The long term. Yeah. So was that the right tempo? [00:12:45] Speaker A: 94 bpm 95 long term produced by Curtis King. [00:12:49] Speaker C: Shut up, my man. [00:12:50] Speaker A: 94 bpm with a soul sample. Yes, sir. So go listen to long term, too, right? [00:12:56] Speaker C: And I. [00:12:57] Speaker A: And I really was like, 2010 ish. [00:13:00] Speaker C: Yeah, 2010 is okay. [00:13:03] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:13:04] Speaker C: But I really, you know, I'm saying. And not only. Not only is he from the hood, right? Yeah, we the coast guard. Really? From the hood. For the record, he's ours. Yeah. You feel. No, I mean, he's. He's from my neighborhood. [00:13:19] Speaker B: Okay, tell me something. [00:13:20] Speaker C: Carson, California. [00:13:22] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:13:22] Speaker C: Okay. Delamo, to be exact. Spare the extra details, but he's really. He's really with us. Okay, guys. Yeah, we're here. Okay. Carson in the house. Del. [00:13:37] Speaker A: You can say what the fuck you want to say. [00:13:38] Speaker C: Once again, Carson in the motherfucking house. [00:13:41] Speaker A: Okay. [00:13:42] Speaker C: Del Lamo, watch your motherfucking mouth. [00:13:44] Speaker A: Okay? [00:13:45] Speaker C: I am the king of Carson. [00:13:46] Speaker A: Okay? [00:13:47] Speaker C: Okay. Self proclaimed. Self proclaimed. All right. And, you know, actually. No, actually, now I'm the father. [00:13:54] Speaker A: Okay. I like that. [00:13:55] Speaker C: I'm the father of Carson. [00:13:56] Speaker A: I like that. [00:13:57] Speaker C: Carson. Callie, to be exact. [00:13:58] Speaker A: Okay. [00:13:59] Speaker C: You'll get it later. Yeah, but it was like. And for us to still be cool, like, to where it's like, not just about the music with us, like, you feel what I'm saying? Like, you still pulled up, like, even after knowing, like, he don't really, like, rock with this shit like that, but he's still the homie. Like, you know what I'm saying? But that's not. Because he could just be like, yeah. [00:14:26] Speaker B: Kick this thing out the car. [00:14:31] Speaker A: I could be a yes man. [00:14:32] Speaker C: They could be hot. Leave and be like, man, shit, trash ain't got no slap, so I really be respected that it'd be, you know, and I got in a lot of. And I'm. And I'm privileged to be. I like, like, I'm with my, you know, I'm privileged and blessed, you know, to be around, like, you know, with my day one, my ground zeros even, like, you know what I'm saying? The big homie, python P. The biggest bucko. You feel what I'm saying? And saying my brother Matt, like, I'm with. I'm with people that was with us in the trenches. Like, you feel me from, you know, I'm saying, shout out my man, chuck dizzle. Black and loud music. I'm, you know, and I could. The list goes on. But, like, my, my people, like, they don't really necessarily. I don't be in they playlist. You feel me? And that's fine. Like, it's not. It's not for them. I came in, like, I'm with the, you know, y'all know, the gang. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, I'm with the spitters. Not just the spitters, but, like, you know. You know where they from. [00:15:32] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:15:33] Speaker C: So you know where I'm from. It's like. So it's like, am I gonna be like another, you know. You know how they paint. You know how they paint us cars and kids. [00:15:42] Speaker B: Has it ever bothered you, though, like, you being in the car with a homie, hear like, three songs on shuffle and it's. [00:15:48] Speaker C: No, because it's not my. Well, my thing is too, like, it's not for them because they already know me. It's about this for the world, and I only am who I am. And, like, you know, a lot of the homies that I'm with, I mean, they just not third eyes and shit. You know what I mean? You know. You feel me? [00:16:03] Speaker B: I gotta. It's. It's not personal. Cause none of my friends watch my shit. [00:16:06] Speaker C: Right. [00:16:07] Speaker B: That's why I asked that question. [00:16:08] Speaker C: Yeah, but that's what I'm saying. But I think that. [00:16:10] Speaker B: I think support like a motherfucker. [00:16:11] Speaker C: No, they support, you know, and that's fine. And I'm not even big on, like, you know, like, support me, repulp. Because I just only want people to support what was dope to them, what. [00:16:21] Speaker B: They actually genuinely fuck with. [00:16:23] Speaker C: Exactly. Not. Don't just. I'm not. I ain't. Listen, I ain't never invited nobody to nothing. I ain't never even invited my mama to my show. Like, come if you. If you. If this what you rocking with. I'm firm on that. Yeah. I don't need the support, support. I'm not. I'm just not into it. I mean, do your thing, though, but, you know, get. Get where you gotta get by any means. I'm not. You know what I'm saying? I ain't knocking no hustle by any means. Get your coin, get whatever you came to. Get out of life to be your best self. Like, do that. But, like, I just been firm on that. I only want. That's how I know, you know, that it's dope and people rock with it. You feel what I'm saying? So I'm privileged to be around that. So, like, now as getting older, it's like a kind of like a personal goal of mine to make their playlist. You feel me? What can I do to, you know, to make they playlist, mind you, the homies is real. We gonna always keep each other on the ground, too. We ain't never. Oh, yeah, that's dope. You get a. You get a. That's cool. That mean go back. That's dope. Okay. All right. Working with something, you get a hard. You get a hard. You got his own legit. Yeah. Is that respect? Yeah, we ain't gonna. That'd be easy on the pause, dude. [00:17:39] Speaker B: I wasn't even gonna pause. [00:17:40] Speaker C: You ain't even gonna. Yeah. You were getting your shit off. [00:17:42] Speaker B: I wasn't gonna. Fuck the clipper. [00:17:43] Speaker C: Respect. Yeah. [00:17:47] Speaker B: Outside of you being, like, such an elite mc, knowing how to rap, your pen is crazy. You want it in one. What do you think it is that has kept you relevant throughout your entire career without having a commercial radio hit? [00:18:08] Speaker C: I mean, there is only one. There's only one solo. It's only one solo. [00:18:15] Speaker B: I picked it up. [00:18:16] Speaker A: Oh, she a real bar. [00:18:21] Speaker C: For the clip. Ain't number brilliance in the number? [00:18:28] Speaker A: She do them break down. [00:18:30] Speaker C: There's no slouches in the freestyle already. I am literally the rap genius. Rap genius started because of guys like me. I had a room at the rap genius mansion in New York. [00:18:44] Speaker A: Okay? [00:18:44] Speaker C: Like, I just. I just do my. I do what I came to do and, like. And then, you know, ultimate. Not ultimately, but, yeah, ultimately. I mean, y'all know who I'm with. I mean, we're not going to undermine the machine at all. You know, I came. You know, we've done some historical things, man. Like, for real. Like, that's why it's even. I gotta. I gotta, you know, shout out. My man's like, you know, we really started, like, in a. What was. Inglewood. Where was we in Inglewood? [00:19:12] Speaker A: In Chuck's apartment. [00:19:13] Speaker C: Yeah. That's what I'm saying. Like homegrown radio. [00:19:15] Speaker A: Like, yeah. [00:19:16] Speaker C: You feel me? From the ground. Roots of this shit. Like, we really put in. I did. I did anything for this shit. Like this. This new. Like, I was working with MySpace. I was. I was text battling. I was, like, battling on Yahoo. Conference chat niggas around the world. I did eight. Like, you know, pep rallies, talent shows, yahoo. [00:19:36] Speaker A: Conference. Chat burn I didn't even know about. Maybe I didn't know about that shit. Aim battles. [00:19:41] Speaker C: Aim battles? Yeah. Like, for real? [00:19:43] Speaker B: What was they called? It wasn't group chats. [00:19:46] Speaker C: Tech seeds. [00:19:47] Speaker A: The party chat rooms? [00:19:48] Speaker C: Yeah, it was like. No, it was black. [00:19:51] Speaker B: This nigga talking about the party line. [00:19:52] Speaker C: The party line is crazy. We didn't go to the party line. [00:19:56] Speaker B: No, nigga, we ain't talking about the party. [00:19:58] Speaker C: We did not go to the party line to rap. [00:19:59] Speaker A: All right, all right. [00:20:02] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:20:03] Speaker A: So, uh. [00:20:03] Speaker C: Yeah. You feel me? Yeah, but, uh. [00:20:05] Speaker A: No, I know what you're talking about. [00:20:06] Speaker C: The. [00:20:06] Speaker A: A chat room. [00:20:07] Speaker C: But. No, but I started on Black Planet, though. [00:20:09] Speaker B: Okay? [00:20:10] Speaker C: On Black Planet, they had, like. I just was going through chat rooms, and it was a freestyle chat room. And, like, I got in there, and I just, like, you know, just really fell in love with that. That culture, and it helped me with my. You know, with my writing in a lot of ways. [00:20:23] Speaker B: I don't know why I thought black pan. Black Planet was like, some dirty animal shit. [00:20:29] Speaker A: What the fuck you say? [00:20:35] Speaker C: Bestiality and all that. [00:20:36] Speaker A: Why? You like some racist shit? [00:20:38] Speaker B: No, like. [00:20:39] Speaker C: Like, I think she talk about the bestiality, right? [00:20:43] Speaker A: No, she talking about some trump shit. [00:20:44] Speaker B: No, like, porn. [00:20:45] Speaker A: Oh, porn. [00:20:46] Speaker B: I thought it was dating. Like, porn. [00:20:48] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:20:48] Speaker A: The beast. [00:20:52] Speaker B: That shit don't sound civil. [00:20:56] Speaker C: 18 went down on the planet, though. [00:20:58] Speaker A: I ain't gonna captain any and everything. [00:21:01] Speaker C: Any and everything. But like I said, I found cracking from a computer. It's crazy. No, getting the cracking from the computer. [00:21:06] Speaker B: The big ass desktop. [00:21:07] Speaker A: What you mean? You done got some DM's from blue checks? [00:21:09] Speaker B: Not on no big ass desktop, though. [00:21:12] Speaker C: Over show. Yeah, with the. With the net zero free trial. [00:21:18] Speaker A: Cds. Changing my email. Yes, I was. What you mean? They gave me 100 free hours. I burned it in hundred hours. [00:21:30] Speaker C: Three days. It was lit. Ain't never had no plan facts. Never had none of that. Yeah, but, I mean. [00:21:35] Speaker B: But he's still bootlegging shit now. That's why. [00:21:37] Speaker A: Wait, wait. Allegedly, he'll pay for Wi Fi anyway. [00:21:52] Speaker C: That's what I'm saying. Like. Like. And there's no disrespect. I'm just saying, like, where we came from. I burnt my cd. Like, burnt my mixtape. [00:21:59] Speaker B: You put the work in? [00:22:00] Speaker C: Yeah, I did a lot of ground work. Like, I battled in the street. I sold tickets to perform downstairs at the key club. I did Normandy Casino. Like, bro, I. Bro, I've been doing this shit since. [00:22:17] Speaker B: So much success and legwork in this. [00:22:19] Speaker C: Yeah, like, you feel me when you. [00:22:20] Speaker B: Think about it, though, like, what's the music goal now? [00:22:23] Speaker C: Yeah. Like, you feel me? And it was like, you know, it seems so. It seemed kind of. I don't even want to say easier because, you know, like, I'm still. I still kind of think, like, you know, quicker come quicker, go with a lot of these people, a lot of these artists, which is cool. Like, do what you came to do, but I came to this. My brand is long term, and that's how it's gonna stay. I came, like, to remain, like, you feel me, and to leave my fingerprint in hip hop, you know what I'm saying? Which is intelligent movement. Ultimately, it's the ghetto. CNN shout out. My man, G. Malone. [00:22:55] Speaker A: Speaking of intelligent movement, high power. [00:22:58] Speaker C: Yeah. Oh, man. [00:22:59] Speaker A: Is that. That's. That's your thing? [00:23:01] Speaker C: No, actually. Well. Well, Dot, let's say Dot came up with it, and, you know, he, like, in kind of in. In lieu of me, if you will, like, that's that. [00:23:11] Speaker A: Because he had the song high power. [00:23:13] Speaker C: Right, right. [00:23:14] Speaker A: But I always thought when I thought. [00:23:16] Speaker C: Of high power and Lori was on. [00:23:18] Speaker A: It and Laurie was on it. [00:23:19] Speaker C: Yeah. And he. And he. Not to. Not to cut it off. I think that was a cold beat, too. [00:23:24] Speaker A: That was a Colby. [00:23:25] Speaker C: Yeah. Take it back. It had three eyes in it. [00:23:29] Speaker A: Yes. [00:23:29] Speaker C: Like, how it was spelled. You know what I'm saying? [00:23:31] Speaker A: But I was associated with that. With you, though, right? [00:23:33] Speaker C: That's what I'm saying. Like, so where I just, like, imagine I get all, you know, I got off work at the shop one day. You never know what was going when I get off work, when I come through with these niggas and came up with. I came on. I came. I got off work one day, come back. It's a whole. We got a whole collective black hippie. I'm like, oh, man. [00:23:50] Speaker A: Oh, they came up with that. [00:23:51] Speaker C: All this be happening when I be at work and I get. I get off. I get off work at the shop, you know, saying big magic, this music, if you know, you know. [00:24:00] Speaker A: Yep. [00:24:00] Speaker C: Big vip. You know what I'm saying? [00:24:02] Speaker A: So, wait, so you at work, you get there and they done came up with a whole thing. They got. They got high power, they got black hippie. [00:24:08] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:24:09] Speaker A: And you just kind of walked in and found. [00:24:11] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:24:11] Speaker A: And then, like, you know, I'm part of a group. [00:24:12] Speaker C: Yeah. Find your spot under. Under the sun. You feel what I'm saying? Like, you know, with the high power, too, in particular. He was like. He did. He was like, yeah, this. This your thing. So, like, I did this. You feel me? This in lieu of you, so run with it. [00:24:24] Speaker A: So. But he. It was his song, though, so how is it your thing now? [00:24:28] Speaker C: He actually. He branded it. Yes, but he said. He told me he did it with me in mind. [00:24:35] Speaker A: Got you. [00:24:35] Speaker C: Like, because this is what we've been kicking, like, and it's been, like, intelligent movement, and it's become kind of, like, prevalent in all of us, like, you know what I'm saying? Because we was all feeding off of each other, you know, we the real black Panthers, man. We came to unify the gangsters, you know. You know. You feel what I'm saying? That's what we came to do. Like, we all enemies, technically. [00:24:55] Speaker A: Technically, yeah. [00:24:56] Speaker C: I love that. I love being a part of that. Like, we all supposed to. You know, we was all supposed to mark each other out, but it's been love from day one. It ain't been nothing like that. So I'm just. Man, I'm just like, honored. Heart, honor, respect. Right. [00:25:13] Speaker A: When you. Go ahead. [00:25:14] Speaker B: I was gonna say I didn't even know you gangbang until today, right? [00:25:17] Speaker C: Yeah, for sure. [00:25:18] Speaker B: Was it ever, like, intentional to not glorify gangster? [00:25:22] Speaker C: Absolutely. [00:25:23] Speaker B: The hood shit in your music. [00:25:24] Speaker C: Absolutely. [00:25:25] Speaker B: Or the whole gangsta rap genre? [00:25:27] Speaker C: Absolutely. Because, you know, I'm just like, that's just the, you know, when it happens, like, as kids, like, you know. You know, just. It's kind of just like community at first. These are your homies, like, this your neighborhood, you know, not saying, like, I, you know, always kind of been, you know, cool and, you know, popular, if you will. I don't know, but, like, it's just like, community, your friends, and just. It's that it kind of gets presented as that. I mean, you know what I'm saying? We, you know, we squabbling. You know what I'm saying? Make sure we could all defend ourselves. Like, the roots of it is clean, but, you know, as time progressed and you get more knowledge about it, you feel me? It's kind of like, you find, you know, I come to find out the roots of it and how it really transpired into this. I mean, we originally was trying to defend ourselves from the police. The police were, like, the black. Yeah, the black panthers. You feel what I'm saying? And then it, you know, it evolves, and here we are. But it's been about trying to get back to that, and I think we. I think we're doing very well with that. You know what I'm saying? Like, I can. I don't really. I ain't anybody banged on me, and quite some time, like. And that was a thing back in the day. I mean, it's still. It's still happening everywhere, you know. You know, but, like, you know, we saying we promoting the piece, man, and just making sure, you know, we all have the awareness, at least, of, you know, the roots of it. And, you know, hopefully we can all get together and shake hands at some point, all of us, but y'all doing. [00:27:10] Speaker B: It, so it's so crazy that you just said that, because I went to the pop out, but I'm like, a very, like, aesthetic type of person. [00:27:17] Speaker C: Right. [00:27:18] Speaker B: So I just watched y'all on stage again today for the first time since the actual show, and I noticed that the crowd's light was blue, but the light that was shining on y'all was red. [00:27:28] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:27:28] Speaker B: So was that intentional, to have the red and the blue? [00:27:30] Speaker C: Oh, no. Yeah, that was that. You know, I ain't even really see it like that. You just pointed it out. You know, I just came. No, no, but that's how dot is, though. [00:27:46] Speaker A: Everything. [00:27:46] Speaker C: Everything is intentional. Like, you know, saying, like, but I'm over there. They try and make sure, like, we shouldn't do the fire with. [00:27:52] Speaker A: So they walk into. [00:27:55] Speaker C: Blind ass. [00:27:56] Speaker A: Walk into a pyro box. [00:27:58] Speaker C: I might have stumbled over one. [00:28:00] Speaker A: Cause I saw. [00:28:00] Speaker C: I think I tripped over one for sure. I think I definitely tripped over one. [00:28:04] Speaker A: Finna blow soul up on stage in front of everybody. [00:28:06] Speaker C: Real talk, they was like, that was my. That was my. My sound check was making sure. Where we gonna play soul. [00:28:13] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:28:13] Speaker C: Let's hold off on the pyro stand. [00:28:15] Speaker A: This thing right here. Just talk to him so he don't move. [00:28:18] Speaker C: Right, exactly. So you just rock. You get. I'm gonna walk him over here. Rock. You just make sure he good right here. [00:28:23] Speaker A: Cause I noticed, like, when you came up on stage, right, right. [00:28:27] Speaker C: Almost fell off of the riser. [00:28:30] Speaker A: So you can't. People don't understand. You really can't see for real. [00:28:34] Speaker C: So I'm legally blind. [00:28:38] Speaker A: Okay. [00:28:38] Speaker C: I walk by faith. [00:28:40] Speaker A: I walk by faith. So when you came up, Dot was rapping to you, y'all standing there, and then I noticed nobody left your side for the rest of the show. [00:28:50] Speaker C: Nobody. He walked me to. He grabbed me and walked me to where I had to go. [00:28:54] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:28:55] Speaker C: That was the whole thing. [00:28:56] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:28:57] Speaker C: You feel me? [00:28:58] Speaker A: Hey, real talk. [00:29:00] Speaker C: Yeah. And see, like, that's what I'm saying. Like, I had to. You know, I had to, like, once I, like, see now, like, okay, this out of this, how my mind works. Look, you got the varsity on, like, you know what I'm saying? I see your aesthetic. Once I register you, I see where. [00:29:13] Speaker A: You at, and so you scan and. [00:29:16] Speaker C: Scan it, and then you see it. Boom. It's like that. You feel me? So it's like I'm not like, you know, all the way. Like, that's. You know, I need a. I need a corneal transplant. I can't get my cornea so scarred, I can't get tested for glasses. So, like, it's just the light sensitivity because of that. [00:29:33] Speaker A: Got you. [00:29:33] Speaker C: And so, like, this is my best. [00:29:35] Speaker A: Bet until I, you know, get a corneal trance. [00:29:38] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:29:39] Speaker B: Mister beast on the phone. [00:29:40] Speaker C: Get break. You know, get break. [00:29:42] Speaker A: Mister Beast hit up absol, man. [00:29:44] Speaker C: I mean, you know what I'm saying? [00:29:45] Speaker A: But, I mean, show some love to Carson. [00:29:46] Speaker C: My whole thing is, like, it ain't. It's not about that. You know, we got the, you know. You know, I was at the Julius thine eye institute. You know what I'm saying? I've had a lot of surgeries, you know what I'm saying? Like, you know, due to my, you know, the virus I caught when I was a kid, Steven Johnson syndrome. And I'm just. I'm dealing with it, man. And I'd rather. I'd rather this than lose an eye trying to fix it. [00:30:10] Speaker A: Facts. [00:30:11] Speaker C: So, like. And then it's like, what? Stick with me, too. Like, warhol, he had a quote, you know, he was famous for, like, wearing the frames with no lenses, and he was like, man, like, why do they want us all to see 2020? Like, they want us all to see exactly the same. And that just stuck with me. Like, so, like, maybe this is just how I'm supposed to see it. I mean, just. Just make sure y'all just don't let. [00:30:36] Speaker A: Me run into too much or walk into the fireworks. [00:30:38] Speaker C: Yeah, exactly. Cut the pyro off on my. Or make sure I'm proud placed when it would get to crack it. [00:30:46] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:30:47] Speaker B: Would you have any crazy stories like that, though, like, where you just couldn't see it in some crazy stories? [00:30:52] Speaker C: I didn't fell off a few stages. Yeah, I didn't fell off a few stages. I ain't got burnt by the pyro. No, I ain't really. I haven't got burnt by the pyro. Like. Cause I, you know, I do. If we gonna use pyro, like, you know, I just have to memorize the stage. Cause I, you know, just thinking, like, you know, they call me Ray wonder, too, or. You know what I'm saying? Or Stevie Charles, but it's memory, like. [00:31:14] Speaker B: Yeah. Do you drive? [00:31:16] Speaker C: I did, but not. Not anymore. Okay. I can't. Yeah. It's not the safest. [00:31:20] Speaker A: What was your. What was the moment for you? Because being a part of that. That show, I think, for all of us, was like. Like, I didn't take it. I didn't. I didn't register it until, like, weeks after. [00:31:31] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:31:31] Speaker A: To be honest with you. [00:31:32] Speaker C: Right, right. [00:31:32] Speaker A: I even went home and watched it. Like, she said, I didn't watch it today, but I just watched it, like, last week or something like that. [00:31:37] Speaker C: I should run it. [00:31:38] Speaker A: And I was looking at it, I'm like, damn, this is a fucking moment, right? [00:31:41] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:31:42] Speaker A: Did you have one of those moments on stage or did before or after or. [00:31:46] Speaker C: I'm gonna be completely honest with you, man. Like, I don't be expecting nothing less from dot. Like, I don't be surprised with this shit no more about what, you know, like, well, all the homies, but, you know, just dot in particular. Like, how he see this is, man. Like, how he see this is just. It's remarkable to me. Like, and I, like, I just. Every. Every time. Every time it seemed like every time we get together or just period. Just watching. Just watching him, period. Like, I've learned so much from him, you know, from the ground level to now. Like, you know, I don't expect nothing less from him but to make everything, everything that he touched momentous. Like, I don't even. I just, like, kind of. Just kind of just smirk like this. Oh, man, this is beautiful. He's done it again. Oh, my God. [00:32:41] Speaker A: Did you ever have God bless him? What about, like, from the feedback or from the fans or from. Even from the homies in the streets, the reception that we got from an LA perspective, did you have any of those type of moments? [00:32:54] Speaker C: I mean. Yeah, like. And just. I think I feel the same way that y'all do. Okay, but it's like, I just don't. This what we came to do. Like, and. [00:33:03] Speaker A: Oh, you saying this is. This is what it's supposed to be? [00:33:04] Speaker C: This just not. Yeah, I'm just taking it as normal. Like, I don't want to. And that's how. That's how I just been practicing. Like, just everything is as it should. Like, and this is what we came to do. And we've been doing it, like, as you can see, like, we knew a lot. Like, we. A lot of us on stage, really, really. Homies from other side. Like, we've been doing it. It's just been. Now it's just been shown, broadcasted. It's been broadcasted. Like, I've been cool. I've been cool with the majority of the homies that was on the stage. You could. If you really look, you'll see us all shaking hands, having one on one combos in the midst, like, bro, this is great. This dot, it, quote. S crazy. Like, how we all, you know, it was regular, but I'm glad that it was captured in the fashion that it was so that the world can, like, it's documented the groundwork that's been done. Like, all the work behind the scenes, all the years. You know what I'm saying? So, yes, that's. [00:33:58] Speaker A: What about getting back together for the video, for the not, like, us video was it. I think it was the following day or whatever. [00:34:04] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:34:05] Speaker A: Like, being in that element with all of the brothers. [00:34:07] Speaker C: Right? Like, in the foundation. [00:34:09] Speaker A: Back in the foundation. What was that? [00:34:10] Speaker C: Like in the Knicks? That was just. Man, just a full circle moment. It was just a real full circle moment. And I was, you know, I just felt like, you know, felt like we was back at the, you know, in the back house. Yeah. Oh, don't forget it started in the hood, too. [00:34:25] Speaker A: Facts. [00:34:26] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:34:27] Speaker B: He sounded like this shit so regular. I was down there screaming. Niggas heard me on the street. I was motherfucking happy. From the first artist that got on stage to the last thing, I'm like. [00:34:41] Speaker C: And don't get me. Don't get me wrong, like, yeah, I was turned, too, but, like, just, like, it just. I just try to. I don't try to. I'm just not surprised. Like, this is what we came to do. I'm glad everybody is finally. I'm glad it was captured in that fashion, though. Like, it was literally a portrait. Right? Like, this is what we've been on. [00:35:04] Speaker B: It's in my living room, right? [00:35:06] Speaker C: This is what we been on. Like, and, like. And it's beautiful, but this is what we been on, though. It's not. It's not new just because of everything that's going on. Like, you feeling, like, you know, all of the, you know, you feel me, all of the media and all of that, and, you know, the back, you. [00:35:22] Speaker B: Know, whatever, it's not new to us because, like, the city, like, even with all the division, we still a family. [00:35:29] Speaker C: Oh, God. [00:35:30] Speaker B: But, like you said, it was just amazing that it was able to be captured. Captured whether, like, if you were tapping on stage or a fan in a crowd. Like, that was some shit that we never seen before. [00:35:38] Speaker C: If y'all didn't know, that's what our. [00:35:39] Speaker B: Festival should look like. [00:35:40] Speaker C: Exactly. If y'all didn't know. This is what we've been on. Like, this is what we really been on. It was a no brainer. Like, it wasn't like, niggas wasn't skeptical about hopping on that stage together, facts at all. And it was no frick. It was absolutely no friction. And that's just. It was just a true testament to what we've been doing. If all the gangs in the world, if Pyrou's and crip saw, you know what I'm saying, shout out to big nip, hussle. You feel what I'm saying? Like, him and Q shaking hands. This is what we been on. We trying to get. We the real Black Panthers. We getting back. No, we are. We are getting back to that. [00:36:17] Speaker A: Did you know? Did you know, like, I know y'all went. You kind of knew, like, the set or whatever. Like, yo, where you were gonna come up on stage and then rock and whatever. [00:36:25] Speaker C: It was all. Yeah, it was all people. [00:36:27] Speaker A: People was looking like they was waiting for a black heebie song to come on. [00:36:29] Speaker C: Oh, yeah, I know. [00:36:30] Speaker A: So I was moated. [00:36:34] Speaker B: We finna get it. [00:36:35] Speaker A: People was, like, waiting on it, you know what I'm saying? But I. Hippie crew, I thought it was a dope moment for y'all. And just being a. I'm part of the family, but also just as a spectator, I'm like, this shit is incredible, right? Just on looking. [00:36:46] Speaker C: But now let me bring it back around, though, so we don't get too off point. And this is why now, you notice what was interesting about that whole thing, right? All the homies had a joint to play. Had a slap to play. [00:37:01] Speaker A: Yes. [00:37:01] Speaker C: This soul. [00:37:02] Speaker A: No. [00:37:05] Speaker C: Hey, it's time, bro. Like, what I gotta do? What I gotta do, Boyden. [00:37:09] Speaker A: All right, so you get. [00:37:10] Speaker C: Did I bring that around? Like, I'm the only one that just went up there, you know what I'm saying? And, you know, that was. That was beautiful, too. But, like. And they. And they knew, like, everybody know me. Like, that's cool. Like, you feel me? But I ain't have a slap. I want a slap. [00:37:25] Speaker A: So. So. Okay, so that brings us to all that for me. Okay. I want to go back to the day when you called me to go to the studio. Okay, let's. Before that, when you made the record, you had been rapping on shit I was telling you to rap on. [00:37:42] Speaker C: Correct. [00:37:43] Speaker A: Going forward, you went in the studio intentionally. Like, I need to make a certain type of record, or I need to be myself in this element of a record, or how did you approach the song all that? [00:37:53] Speaker C: That was actually the most organic joint. Like, I actually went in there. Like, I heard the record and I heard the beat, and I just gravitated to it, which I think that's how, that's how the real. That's how real hits, I think, are joints. The joints, like, when you. If, like, every time I, like, go in there intentionally, like, I need to make it. It don't quite. It don't quite go that way. [00:38:16] Speaker A: Mm hmm. [00:38:18] Speaker C: But this one, like, I really kind of just. It just happened organically. I just was in the stool, and I just kind of. Sometimes, a lot of times, you know, throw paint. You know, that's what I've been practicing, too. Just, you know, just going there and mumble and just catch a vibe or whatnot. And this one just so happened to stick. And I'm like, wait, shit. What's the tempo on it? What's the tempo on it? [00:38:41] Speaker A: On all that? Yeah, I think it's a hundred. [00:38:43] Speaker C: That's what I'm saying. [00:38:44] Speaker A: It's like 98. I didn't. [00:38:46] Speaker C: Right, but it's in the. It's in the range. [00:38:48] Speaker A: It's in the pocket. [00:38:50] Speaker C: He literally gave me, like, I have a. I have a tempo range, like, you feeling. [00:38:54] Speaker B: Oh, he pissed me off. He'll pull the app out. [00:38:56] Speaker C: No, for sure. Like, he's. That. We had a. The schematic. Listen, this guy is sick. It's crazy. [00:39:02] Speaker B: But how do you avoid not falling victim to, like, being corny, trying to make a hit? Because a lot of people, like, they'll be like, well, I'm trying to fit in with the latest trends or, like, niggas adapt to auto tune or trying to make a TikTok song. How do you avoid not being a victim of that? [00:39:19] Speaker C: Well, first of all, I'm not. I'm just really nothing. But, like I said, like, in, after the conversation that we had, like, I tried. We actually tried a few. We had a few ideas in mind that I, like, tried, but I think I went into them with that in mind. Right. With all that. It just was like, oh, shit. This shit hard. Yeah, right. I wasn't even thinking about our conversation. I wasn't thinking about making a hit. It was just a vibe that I caught. And then after playing it back, I think Matt walked in, like, hold on. What is this? What the hell? What is this? Like, right? And I'm like, man, this shit hard, ain't it? Say, yeah, man. And then I'm like, wait a minute. What's the tempo? [00:40:07] Speaker B: We got one head. [00:40:08] Speaker A: Pull up, bro. Pull up. [00:40:11] Speaker C: Wait a minute. You know what I'm saying? So, like, I think that's, like, you know, I think that's how a lot of the. When the magic is made, when you don't. When you're not thinking, I need Hovir. Yeah, I think Hov said it, too. Like, when you start to thinking, that's when you start to force music. So, like, I try to. I really try. And then, you know, that's a challenge for me, me being as cerebral as I am. [00:40:35] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:40:36] Speaker C: Like, to just really not think and just throw paint, bro, and let the. Let the chips fall where they may. [00:40:41] Speaker A: Yo, when you played the record and you were trying to figure out, like, okay, what is the. What do I have? Basically, like, you got work from the Kinect. It's like, what do I have, though, right? Your choice to put shout out to p. And shout out to. Shout out to Jason Martin for being on the record. But when you have that, did you already have in mind, like, okay, I need somebody to get on this. I need something to add to this. [00:41:09] Speaker C: Yeah, for sure. I needed to. I needed that additional flavor just to compliment it. [00:41:16] Speaker B: Some ratchet. [00:41:18] Speaker C: Yeah. Or, you know. [00:41:20] Speaker B: Yeah, I told him he the king of the ratchet. [00:41:21] Speaker C: Yeah. Nah, yeah. [00:41:22] Speaker A: A little seasoning. [00:41:23] Speaker B: Real hot sauce. [00:41:24] Speaker C: Yeah. Some real, you know. You feel me? Some Lawry's. You know what I'm saying? [00:41:28] Speaker A: Red Rooster. [00:41:29] Speaker C: Little red rooster. You feel me? But that was the thing, too. We had conversations about that, too. And like I said, that just happened organically. I think what happened was I pulled up on him. Him and quick to do the joint. [00:41:49] Speaker A: Jason Martin. [00:41:50] Speaker C: Yeah, Jason Martin. And quick to do the joint for they last album, which is an honor in itself, you know what I'm saying? I gave quick my first demo tape. That's what I'm saying. My demo was on cassette. My first demo was on cassette. Did you remind me off of karaoke? No, for sure. And I told him before, but I'm gonna always bring it. I told him, I'm gonna bring up this story every time I see you. Get used to it. [00:42:15] Speaker B: What is the story, though? [00:42:16] Speaker C: Like, I. Like, I. You know, we had a family owned record shot, magic diss music, and we actually had a. We had a store in the Carson mall, too, for a second, and when he came, he did an in store there, and I gave him my. My demo tape there. This is like, just to give you context, like, he had a hawaiian. A hawaiian shirt on. So you know what era this was? Niggas wearing hawaiian shirts and the dragon shirt. [00:42:44] Speaker B: Yeah, but, uh, like, them fat album shirts. [00:42:47] Speaker C: It was that area. Yeah, it was that. That era were like. I know you remember we was wearing the hawaiian shirts. [00:42:52] Speaker B: My daddy had it. Yeah, that's how I know. [00:42:54] Speaker C: Exactly. So. Yeah, but I mean, just it being on tape, I recorded off a karaoke machine is just crazy in itself. So just to give context to how long I've been. Been at it. And quick. Even started at my uncle Calvin's shop, the Long Beach VIP. [00:43:12] Speaker A: The world famous, world famous VIP. [00:43:13] Speaker C: You found the world famous VIP, which is a whole nother. Whole nother dynamic to my whole heritage. [00:43:20] Speaker B: But when you look back now, was the demo tape good? [00:43:24] Speaker C: I don't even remember it. And he don't need. He was like, man, I really wish I would have kept all of them real talk. Yeah, but it probably wasn't. Probably was not. [00:43:33] Speaker A: Do you ever listen to songs now from, like, either the first long term or before that to where you like, man, I was. That ain't it. [00:43:42] Speaker C: I actually don't. Like. I really. I'm really big on, like, you know, once I give something to the world. [00:43:48] Speaker A: You off, you done, like. [00:43:49] Speaker C: Yeah, but, like, um. There are times, you know, because I'm at the point, too, and I'm so big on trying to. Trying to say something new, trying to come up with something new in a space where everything has been said and done three times, at least. Yeah, I'm just big on that. And after the millions of rhymes I'd been written, I mean, I be like, now I be having to make sure I don't re quote myself. [00:44:19] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:44:20] Speaker C: You know what I'm saying? As well as everything else that I study, you know, all the artists that inspire me make sure I don't, you know, recycle. Recycle, you know what I'm saying? Unless intentional. Unless we sample. You feel what I'm saying? Like, which is, you know, the building blocks of hip hop. We just sampling everything before us that inspire us. You feel what I'm saying? And making it our own. And it's homage. It's not, you know, it's not fighting. [00:44:43] Speaker B: That actually was, like, a debate before on Twitter. I want to say Kanye did it when he said 50, told me, go ahead, switch a style up. If they hate to let them hate Lil Wayne, I want to say he, like, recited a whole verse of an Aaliyah verse on the rock bottom remix, and people were saying, drake did the shit. And people were saying, like, that's literally stealing lyrics. But to some people, it's stealing lyrics, and to others, it's paying homage. [00:45:08] Speaker C: I say a b verse. [00:45:09] Speaker A: I'm only bigging up my brother. [00:45:10] Speaker C: Yeah, right, right. So them rings and things you sing about. Yeah. So, yeah, that's like. You know what I'm saying? I think that's probably some. You know, Jay is my favorite. You know what I'm saying? Hands down. I got a lot of that from him. And it's just. It's like, it's letting those guys know that we were inspired by you. Now, I guess it'd be weird if, like, we tried to act as if it was ours. [00:45:41] Speaker A: What if they rapped a whole 16 of yours, bro? [00:45:45] Speaker C: Hey, listen. Hey, you can share. They want to share my light. Hey, get your shit. [00:45:50] Speaker A: A whole 16. Okay. Wow. [00:45:52] Speaker C: Hey, I'm not sure. Look, look. When I get. [00:45:54] Speaker B: Depending on how it's done. [00:45:55] Speaker C: No, I'm not. I'm not tripping. I'm. Listen, listen. I'm big. Listen. Do without wilt streaming on all platforms right now, bro. Get yours by any means, bro. Like, you feel me? But, like, I'm just saying, like, for the sake of the conversation, it'd be different if, like, they tried to act like it was theirs, though. [00:46:15] Speaker A: Yeah. Like, this is. I wrote this. [00:46:17] Speaker C: I wrote this. Yeah. Like, and not saying nothing, like, to where that be interesting. [00:46:22] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:46:22] Speaker C: Right. But, you know, if it's kind of. If it's, you know, if, you know, we had these conversation and you was to ask me about. About it and, like, I didn't say, oh, no, that was a reference to, if you're not willing to give the footnotes, you know what I'm saying? Or the references, then that's interesting. [00:46:40] Speaker B: It might also, too, depend on the ear of the listener, because it's like, if you one of those people who are not too. Like, I'm sure it's a million. Like I said, the Lil Wayne Aaliyah thing. I'm sure it was a million new Lil Wayne fans who didn't realize that that was actually in Aaliyah verse. [00:46:53] Speaker C: And I'm glad you said Wayne, too, because, yeah, we gonna. We're gonna double back after you hear the album. I'm glad you said Wayne. [00:47:00] Speaker A: Okay. [00:47:00] Speaker C: Yeah. Cause, you know, Wayne raised us. You know, one of the guys are raised on facts. Yeah, we gonna. That's beautiful that you said that you mentioned shout out the biggest bucko. You feel what I'm saying? [00:47:10] Speaker B: We were just talking about hov. And I see you picked that dinner over that 50k. [00:47:17] Speaker C: That's pretty. [00:47:17] Speaker B: So what was that conversation? [00:47:18] Speaker A: Was it 50k or 500? [00:47:20] Speaker B: Listen, man, it was a lot of money. Listen, look, it was the. [00:47:22] Speaker C: I would have if it's 50. [00:47:23] Speaker A: I mean, if it's 500, I'm taking a 500. [00:47:26] Speaker C: I don't care if it's $1,000. That whole thing was very cute. It's cute. To be honest, I did not have dinner with. With Hove. I was just at the Barclays, and, you know, he summoned me once he realized I was there. He was handling some business, but he just gave me a moment of his time. Cause he wanted to shake my hand. [00:47:44] Speaker B: I could tell from where you were. [00:47:45] Speaker C: Sitting, we were not having dinner. [00:47:47] Speaker B: He don't even got a menu. [00:47:51] Speaker C: I was not even on the table. [00:47:52] Speaker A: You weren't even on the table? [00:47:53] Speaker C: I wasn't even on the table. [00:47:56] Speaker A: Knife or fork or nothing, man. [00:47:57] Speaker C: Oh, God. [00:47:59] Speaker B: Okay, wait, so did people think that that was related to the whole Twitter tree? [00:48:03] Speaker C: No, that's what. It just went crazy after that picture dropped. Like, oh, he took the dinner. He took the. [00:48:07] Speaker A: Oh, shit. [00:48:08] Speaker C: And I'm like, you know, I'm, you know, I'll be trying my best to keep up with the social media, the memes and, you know, all this stuff. Yeah, yeah. I'm like, what's going on with this? You know, but I think I had heard. Heard that before. But I'm gonna. But I'm gonna take the dinner every time. [00:48:19] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:48:20] Speaker B: What did y'all talk about? [00:48:21] Speaker C: Yeah, I don't need, like, not from Jay in particular, though. Like, I'm gonna take the dinner. I'd rather sit and chop game I'd rather sit and chop game with Jay than take that. You know what I'm saying? As much as I need it. Yeah, as much as I need that. Like, with hove, though, in particular, maybe not. Not too many others, but, you know. [00:48:40] Speaker A: You gonna get that in game. What did y'all discuss? [00:48:44] Speaker C: No, I was brief. That's what I'm saying. He was handling business. [00:48:46] Speaker A: Oh, he was at the Barclays. [00:48:48] Speaker C: He was handling business. But he, you know, I was. I was court side. I was on my press run, and he was on the opposite side. And then, like, he just, like, you know, I think we saw him, like, just let you know, you know, did our. And he realized I was there, so he summoned me. So you get the. [00:49:04] Speaker A: That's a flex, right? [00:49:05] Speaker B: I'm $30,000 in the student loan debt. Yeah, I'm taking that money. Give me the money. [00:49:10] Speaker C: Look, and I. And I feel that, but that's just. That's just how strongly I feel about. Yeah, yeah. You know what I'm saying? And what he's. What he's done. Done for me as an artist, impact influence. [00:49:24] Speaker B: Yeah, absolutely. [00:49:24] Speaker C: As a black man in America. How about that? [00:49:28] Speaker A: There's a song on. There's a song. That's a lot of the pie song. Right? Can you put a timeline on when that was recorded? Cause I know punch just kind of say, like, that was recorded a while ago. [00:49:38] Speaker C: Yep. [00:49:39] Speaker A: Clear. [00:49:39] Speaker C: Yeah, very. [00:49:40] Speaker B: Give some context. [00:49:42] Speaker C: Oh, yeah. Let's get to the shit, man. Shout out. Hey, first of all, shout out my man Cole, man. [00:49:46] Speaker A: Shout out to Cole. [00:49:48] Speaker B: What was the fuck? What was the group chat like? [00:49:50] Speaker C: Fuck that. [00:49:52] Speaker B: What was the group chat like when a nigga dropped seven minute drill, then dropped a project, and then you and daylight are on it? [00:49:59] Speaker C: Listen, what happened? Peep gang. Look, peep gang. I'm gonna keep it. I'm gonna keep it. A buck, buck, buck 90. Listen, he. First of all, I was a little upset with Cole. Not upset, but, like, Cole was supposed to be on fuck out my face. [00:50:18] Speaker A: For real. [00:50:20] Speaker C: Cole, like, I played my. Like, Cole is the homie for it. That's what I want to make very clear to the whole world. Yeah, Cole is really the homie. Like, he, you know, listen, like, and everybody be saying we use. [00:50:31] Speaker A: It's always been like that, though. [00:50:32] Speaker C: Yeah. And everybody be saying we use the rappers. Be using the word friend and homie loosely. Like, and that's cool, bro. Like, that's what I'm saying. I don't put nothing past no Mandev. Like, we don't have to be. I pray that y'all my real friends. But if not, like, hey, we here. Like, get yours, right? But I'm telling you, like, me, Colby been concerned about my eyes. What's the nigga be concerned about? My eyes and my diet. Yeah, that's a good dude. That's what I'm saying. You know? And if not, all right, like, remember? And he graduated at the top of his class. He's no dummy. Graduated at the top of his class. You know, dummy, he come from cannabis. He a real rapper. So, like, you know, I just needed, like, a twelve. Like, for the fuck up my face, you know what I'm saying? He picked it. Like, I played him the album. He picked it. So, like. And, like, I. [00:51:17] Speaker A: Like, he the one that was like, I'm gonna jump on this. [00:51:19] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah, exactly. And I, like, like, bugged him about it, like. Cause I was trying to play the game at that point, like, you know what I'm saying? Like, come on, man. Thought you. You know, you feel me? Just a twelve. And it just didn't come to fruition forever. He might not have. He just might not have came, too. But I did this joint. Me and Light did the joint pie. I did it for daylight. [00:51:39] Speaker A: Daylight's record. [00:51:40] Speaker C: It's daylight's record. And I said, let's collab. Let's do a back and forth thing. It was just a sparring segment, you know what I'm saying? Between me and him. And it's called pie, literally. Because when me and daylight's song stopped. Ended. It ended on 314. Like, the time, the length of the song. That's where the title came about, just for context. So I wake up some real rappers here. Yeah, right. Yeah, exactly. We was on that. It was that kind of. So I wake up. I don't know if it's the next morning, but soon after I wake up one morning, like, light. Like, bro, check. Like, it sent me to send me the song, and Cole on there going crazy. I'm like, wait, what the. I'm hot. Like, I'm, like, low key hot. [00:52:34] Speaker A: Like, he didn't do the other record. You did this one. [00:52:38] Speaker C: So Pete, like, you know, but you know, this, you know, sibling robbery or friend. And I'm like, light, bro, this one of the best rappers in the world, bro. You got to let me know before you send it. I'm still up on his head. Like, bro, you got to let me know if you go send this shit off. Like, he ate us up, bro. Just at first listen, like, cub was going on for, like, got like, a 48 or. I don't know. Like, bro, 48 is crazy, bro. And then, like, you know, it wasn't mixed yet, so his vocals was all louder than I was. Like, I'm waking up. I'm just waking up to this. [00:53:16] Speaker A: Like, fuck that. [00:53:18] Speaker C: I'm like, bruh, bruh, what is you on, bro? I called Cole immediately. Like, nah, bro, I can't even be like, bro. Like, listen, man, light, don't. He was light, you know, light. He, you know, said, you feel me? Shout out to the mirrors, man. Shout out to the whole gay man room full of mirrors. You feel? I'm saying? Just daylight being with us alone is crazy. You know what I'm saying? Back to the Panthers. You feel what I'm saying? You know, but anyway, I'm like, Cole, like bro, light, don't know. No, like he knew, man. He just, he was like, man, I just was fit, man. He said they all was going so crazy and I felt, why you sound. [00:54:01] Speaker A: Like that digga, though? You sound just like that nigga. Go ahead, go ahead. [00:54:05] Speaker C: He was like, man, I just got in the spirit, man. My pain just started moving, bro. And I said, you know what, I respect that. And to where that tell me too. Cole really a MC fuck out. My face was like, I told him I was trying to play the game. That was a shout out. Wanda. Boy wonder on that, you know what I'm saying? It was one of them. And I could. Now it makes sense, like, why he was more attracted to pie than fuck out my face. That says a lot about him. And that's all he had. All he needed to do was a twelve and he had the upper hand. Like he could have, I gave him the full thing. Like he could have, he could have served. Like he could have took it, you know, like so. But he really just wasn't in the spirit. I personally agree. And he, you know, I was like, bro, like, you know, I'm sorry bro, but you can have it, man. But I'm gonna need that bro, like we gotta, we gotta get it in. I taught, I told him like, bro, like, come on. He was like, okay. [00:55:10] Speaker A: So people just join. Just tuning in. I need that as a la nomenclature. [00:55:14] Speaker C: Oh, yeah. Oh yeah. [00:55:15] Speaker A: It's la nomenclature. [00:55:16] Speaker C: For nomenclature is. [00:55:19] Speaker B: What the fuck do this nature? [00:55:21] Speaker C: Hey, write that down. Yo, Matt, please write that down. No, McClain. That shit I write down. [00:55:28] Speaker A: Yeah, go ahead though. [00:55:29] Speaker C: That's the avocado coast. You feel me? [00:55:31] Speaker A: Go ahead, I've got you. [00:55:32] Speaker C: Go ahead. Nah. [00:55:34] Speaker A: So you told him you need bro, like you gotta run it back. [00:55:36] Speaker C: Like bro, we gotta. Come on, man, you got. [00:55:39] Speaker A: She's still stuck on nomenclature. [00:55:40] Speaker C: Nomenclature is crazy. That shit I write down, though. Watch what I do with that though. Watch out. Watch how I work. Nomenclature. [00:55:49] Speaker B: I really want to know, when did you learn that word? [00:55:52] Speaker A: I learned that world. I don't know, like 9th grade. [00:55:55] Speaker B: La. [00:55:55] Speaker C: No, McClain. [00:56:00] Speaker A: You got the word go. [00:56:01] Speaker B: I'm trying to spell it in my head right now. [00:56:05] Speaker A: It's like verbiage, like, like the way you. It's like a colloquialism. Colloquialism, yeah. [00:56:12] Speaker C: I meet him, I meet him, but I like. No, McClays. [00:56:16] Speaker A: We do this thing called word of the day up here with Gina because she said I use big words for no reason. [00:56:21] Speaker B: I'll be seeing butterflies and birds and shit on top of my head. [00:56:26] Speaker A: You know, we from Carson. But anyway. [00:56:31] Speaker C: I'm a former text, see, key styler, if you will. You know, said I used to type it out, and that was having vocabulary. [00:56:40] Speaker B: Oh, really? [00:56:40] Speaker C: Yeah, you know, I'm, you know, gifted. AP honors through the humanities. [00:56:43] Speaker B: How flexed in y'all trying to say y'all school district better than ours? [00:56:47] Speaker C: Not at all. [00:56:48] Speaker A: What I'm saying is, I wouldn't even allow. [00:56:49] Speaker C: What I was saying is these are the classes that they put me in for whatever reason. You know what I'm saying? I don't know. And, yeah, most rappers, and I love words, and I'm just. I'm just a. I love language. [00:57:00] Speaker B: Most of the talented rappers, not just these new rappers, are very intellectual. [00:57:05] Speaker C: I mean, it's. Hip hop is intelligent movement. That's literally what it is. The hip is to be intelligent. The hop is the movement. So to be hip is to be intelligent. [00:57:14] Speaker A: So wait, wait, go back. So you. You tell them you need. [00:57:19] Speaker C: That meaning, like, bro, I. We got a spar. [00:57:24] Speaker A: Okay, bet. There you go. [00:57:25] Speaker B: You asked Cole for a fade. [00:57:27] Speaker C: For sure. For sure. Ask for the fade. Oh, no, no. [00:57:32] Speaker B: But lyric on wax, you saying, like, I need that. Like, I need a, need a verse. [00:57:37] Speaker C: Oh, no, no, no. We have to reveal. [00:57:39] Speaker A: We gotta rent a fade. Like, lyric wax, though. [00:57:42] Speaker B: Oh, so you was about to jump into battle. [00:57:45] Speaker C: No, this is, this was way before. [00:57:47] Speaker B: Okay. [00:57:48] Speaker C: This is way long before that. I had no idea about none of that shit. Like, you know, that's what I'm saying. Dot is very reclusive. He's a ghost, and I won't be. And I like to. I like to watch this shit from a fan perspective with him anyway. Like, I don't even really want to. You know what I'm saying? Like, I just like it. I like to be, you know, stay. [00:58:07] Speaker A: This is before. All of the way long before. So he told Cole, like, I need to fade. [00:58:11] Speaker C: Yeah. I don't even. Yeah. Like, to where. Even to wherever. I. It was so, like, you know, and this is another, you know, reason why I messed with Cole. It was, like, so impactful. Like, he. He did a tree sound lock in in the a and flew. He flew us out. He had me first class. I sat next to jeezy. You know, I'm first class. Like, he flew us out to the a to do a lock in, you know, some still sharp and steel. And we was in there. I think that's where they did the collard green, the joint with. [00:58:43] Speaker B: Oh, was that like the Dreamville sessions? [00:58:46] Speaker C: Yeah, but, but, yeah, but this was after that, though. This was. This was more recent, and it wasn't as, like, promoted. This was, like, more so. Like, you know, just kind of. It was kind of exclusive, more so. And, yeah, like. Like that, that inspired him, and I'm glad that that inspired him to do that type of thing. You feel what I'm saying? And we locked in, and we, you know, me and Jid, you know, me and Jid really shout out to jid. Shout out, jid. You know what I'm saying? He one of the Jedi's my nigga bossy over there. Kaz. I'm cool with the whole ville, man. The earth gang, all of the homies, like, for real. But it was just a dope, you know, and tree sound, you know, provide the vibe in itself. Historical place. And this was long before. Long before that. And we didn't quite catch a. We didn't catch a vibe there either. You know what I'm saying? We was both kind of running around, like, hiding from everybody, like, ourselves. Like, I had a. I opened up a west coast room. I had. I had a whole, like, west coast room. You feel me? It, like, he. You know, he was. He was trying to be creative, too, in the space where everybody was trying to, you know, I can only imagine what he be going through. You know, everybody pulling him in different directions and stuff. So we didn't quite catch it then, but, you know, it's still cool. In due time. [01:00:15] Speaker A: So the record came out. [01:00:16] Speaker C: The record came, like, as is. No, no. As it, like. Yeah, he didn't change anything. [01:00:22] Speaker A: Gotcha. [01:00:23] Speaker C: That's what I'm. So that's why it was not directed. It could not have been directed towards facts. Anyone that was a spar, he. His intent was to spar with. With lyricists that he. He respect. Yeah, and that's. That's simple as that. Yeah. And, like, the whole thing with, like, us being on that project, I mean, I think it was just like, like, lyrically. I mean, to be honest. Like, I. Shit, I asked not if it was cool. Like, I said, yeah, and not even. And this was, like, not even. I asked him, like, not in the sense of, like, dot so cool. He, like, he ready to. Like, it's a friendly fate. You should keep it. He have. He be. Have. We have fun with. This is the culture. He. [01:01:07] Speaker B: With all of it. [01:01:08] Speaker C: We. With all that. Like, we. [01:01:10] Speaker B: It's rap. It's rap. [01:01:12] Speaker C: We did this in the street. Like, that's what I'm saying was you at the table, like, if you wasn't at the tables, like, getting it in. Like, we used to pull up, like, in the back of the industrials, like, in battle for real. Like, that's really what we come from. And it's fun. Like, steel. Sharp and steel, like, you feel me? And I sent it to him, like, bro, did he kill me? [01:01:34] Speaker A: What'd he say? [01:01:35] Speaker C: He said, no, this is hard. [01:01:36] Speaker B: Y'all. [01:01:37] Speaker C: Did y'all stuff like this hard? Let that fly. It was a top 100, I think. Like, it was, like, in the. [01:01:43] Speaker A: Yeah, it was like a. I just think that people. People like to like people. No, it's only, like three or four people in that I know of in rap that get the YouTube conspiracy wormhole. You in there. Dot is in there, and Cole is in there. Like, it'd be like, well, he on Forest Hills drive, nigga. He predicted that this was gonna happen. It's like, bro, niggas ain't on that. Like, right? [01:02:05] Speaker C: And the homies. And the homies performed at the fest. I think he had Q ancestors. [01:02:09] Speaker A: Q was there, too. [01:02:10] Speaker C: Was scissor there, too? I think it was like. [01:02:12] Speaker A: I think scissor was there. [01:02:13] Speaker C: Yeah. Like, he had the homies there, too. Like, just to show you all the, you know, the. [01:02:17] Speaker A: Had. You had a conversation with him before. After the. After he went on stage and, like, said what he said? [01:02:22] Speaker C: No, because I actually, personally, I respect Cole stance and all of this, man. It's the road less travel. Yeah, he taken, like, the. Like, a very, very mature, progressive stance because, you know, like, everybody on some lights, you know, and I'm gonna stay out of it for the most part and just say that I respect his stance. [01:02:43] Speaker A: Yeah, for sure. [01:02:44] Speaker C: It's a very. It's a. That's a. He's taken a scenic route, which I. [01:02:49] Speaker A: Really respect, so I feel that you feel me now, this album, you did tell me you played it for dot, and that took me. And then you told you. I don't know if you would want to share that, but it took me back to when I used to pull up to Top's house in Carson and y'all was recording in the back room and the studio rules, and that just went viral because it was like, oh, who wrote these studio rules? [01:03:10] Speaker C: Right? [01:03:11] Speaker A: So who, like, did y'all collectively write those studio rules or Top wrote the rules? Okay. [01:03:17] Speaker C: Top, if not punch. If I'm not mistake. Like, are them together? If I'm not, if I'm not mistaken. Yeah, it's been a while. [01:03:23] Speaker B: Okay, people who haven't seen those, what are the rules? [01:03:25] Speaker A: I don't. You could pull them up. It's on. [01:03:31] Speaker C: I think it's on gang. Like, if you pull up gang and them. I think we captured it. That's probably the most recent thing because we went back. Back to the roots for that. [01:03:39] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. You see it? Okay. [01:03:43] Speaker B: Okay. [01:03:44] Speaker A: You see it? TD studio rules. It's like one through ten or something like that. [01:03:47] Speaker B: If you're not the homie, don't come in here. [01:03:49] Speaker A: Yeah, that was. [01:03:49] Speaker B: You are the homie. [01:03:50] Speaker C: Oh, no, no, no. That's. That's. No, that was no excuses. That's not. That's the no excuses. [01:03:55] Speaker A: Oh, that's the no excuses. Different rules. [01:03:56] Speaker C: No, gotta go. [01:03:57] Speaker B: If you ain't one of the homies, don't be instagramming, you creepy motherfuckers. [01:04:00] Speaker C: That ain't got none of. Yeah, that's. That's the new homie. That's the new school. That's after we graduated. [01:04:06] Speaker A: The Ogden shit. [01:04:07] Speaker C: The OG shit. Yeah, you got to probably, like, go to, like, ganging him. I think we have it on there on that video. You got it, like, screenshot it. [01:04:12] Speaker A: It's all good. [01:04:13] Speaker C: Yeah, we'll get to that. [01:04:13] Speaker A: Oh, there go. Yeah, let me see. [01:04:15] Speaker C: It's more. It's more. It's more. It's in more detail. [01:04:20] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. Nice. Cool. All right, so the fault, the follow up to if you're not done. Yeah, those are new. Those are nice. [01:04:28] Speaker C: That. That we did that at, like, you know, at interscope. [01:04:30] Speaker B: And excuse Avery, all quick and shit, though. I didn't even know we could do this nigga. [01:04:40] Speaker A: Okay, so the next thing is, as far as, like, you progressing and putting out this soulberger project, of course everybody's gonna be like, when's the next one? But if this is a new artist that you're introducing. Right, so soulberger is a separate artist in Doe and absol. [01:05:00] Speaker C: Right? [01:05:00] Speaker A: Right. [01:05:01] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:05:01] Speaker A: Okay, so this body work doesn't have anything to do with the lineage of Absol. Work. [01:05:06] Speaker C: Well, no, it does. It does, but, like, because, you know, I am absol. Right, and Doe Burger is Doe burger. Right. And it's all. It's. It's still. It's still me. It's still us. But I'm. I'm. I'm asking. I'm asking everybody to try to try to listen to it as if it's a new artist. [01:05:32] Speaker A: Oh, conceptually. [01:05:33] Speaker C: Conceptually. Listen, to try. Try to imagine that this is a new artist named Soberger. It is not Absol. [01:05:39] Speaker A: Got you. [01:05:40] Speaker C: It is not Doeberger. It is the fusion of the two. [01:05:43] Speaker A: Got you. And I watch your freestyle on flex. I mean, I'm not surprised how you feel about the pop out. That's how I feel about when you rap. I'm just not. I'm not impressed. I'm not like, oh, my God. Cause it's like, that's what he do now. If it's like, if it ain't good, I'm like, maybe he was just tired that day, right? But I never seen that. But I'm just saying, you'll let me know. I would definitely. [01:06:04] Speaker C: That's what I. And that's what I. That's who I keep. That's who I'm. I encourage everybody to keep. Keep them with you. Even it, like, I got the. I got home. Like, that's what I'm saying. The homies, like, we not going. We gonna, like. Yeah, that's. Yeah, that was dope. That was dope. They gonna. The homie leave the room. That nigga went crazy on that. Yeah, we not Finna. Like, we gotta keep each other. You feel me? Like, we gotta keep each other grounded. Because I'm telling you, man, that arrogance, man, that ego, it be knocking. Like, I have a. I have a real fear of being vain or come even coming across as. Why you have to tell you, like, I really can't. Like, me wearing shades and be so, like, you know, me look cool. Like, I understand the importance of looking a man in the eye and these things. And I'm not, since I can't do it, actually, like, as good. You feel what I'm saying? Like, I'd be having to let it be known. Like, I have a. My eyes are very light sensitive. Like, just so you know, like, so I don't come across as, like, a, you know, you know, nigga wearing shades in the daytime. You know what I'm saying? So that's very important to me, like, to stay grounded. [01:07:12] Speaker A: The reason why I was asking you that is to who do you look at as cuz you are the rapper's rapper. I hear so many. I be in studios all the time, and they be like, man, soul. Like, even I've heard even people like Russ. Yeah, like, somebody like Russ, shout out to Russ, Russ is somebody who loves you. [01:07:28] Speaker C: Right. [01:07:28] Speaker A: You know what I'm saying? Have y'all got in, like, have y'all been able to, like. [01:07:32] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:07:32] Speaker A: Get back together and do so? [01:07:33] Speaker C: Not. Not as. Not as of late. [01:07:35] Speaker A: Okay. [01:07:36] Speaker C: I kind of, you know, like, this. This project was very personal is very, like, numbers only. I said members, not members. We'll get to that later. [01:07:46] Speaker B: We get into a lot of shit later. [01:07:48] Speaker A: So the reason why I'm asking you to continue, who do you look at as, like, a peer where you, like, damn. Like, he one of them ones or she one of them ones? Like, who are you looking at? [01:07:59] Speaker C: Like, I mean, I'm not. I'm in a space where I really, like. I really like everything, bro. Like, I. I mean, I'm finally in that space where, like, I kind of, like, can appreciate everything, like, versus, like, I'm in this, like, where it's like, who am I to say what's dope or not? Like, you know, like, one of my favorites right now is Kim B X. [01:08:28] Speaker A: Okay. [01:08:28] Speaker C: You know, I'm saying, shout out to Kim Bay. [01:08:30] Speaker A: Shout out to Kimberly. [01:08:31] Speaker C: He's like, I feel like he's the. He's. He's my. He's my favorite. If I had to say, like. And he's been. He's been doing it for so long. He's so he can. He can do everything. He stays current, but, you know, he keep. He's like my fountain of youth, but he still. He still do what I came to do at the same time. So he understands me. And so we, like, you know, I have a lot of combos with him. I mean, you know. You know, the homies are obviously crazy, you know, Doji. She's doing her thing right now. [01:09:02] Speaker A: Doshi's incredible. [01:09:03] Speaker B: Dolce. A fucking star. [01:09:04] Speaker C: Oh, yeah. Superstar. [01:09:05] Speaker A: Have you got one in with her? [01:09:06] Speaker C: I. Yeah, we, you know, we done danced. What's the name? Jed is remarkable to me. [01:09:15] Speaker A: I just had a conversation with him. [01:09:16] Speaker C: Yeah, my man Jed is remarkable to me. And we got some things in the works. It's just too. I don't want to forget nobody because it's just really a lot more Mick Jenkins. Don't get. Don't get. We need to talk more about him, man. I just. [01:09:38] Speaker A: I want to go back to Dochi. Right? So I gave, I gave. So right now I'm on this glow rilla wave. Like, glow is like my. [01:09:45] Speaker C: Yeah, glow. [01:09:45] Speaker A: My choice of. But Dochi, I told the homie, I said, I give Dochi 18 months and she gonna just shoot past everybody because she's so versatile. [01:09:54] Speaker C: Oh, bro. Yeah, she does. [01:09:56] Speaker A: She can do. [01:09:56] Speaker C: She's everything. [01:09:57] Speaker A: She and I. I got a wreck. I got her the big single. I got it. And I've been playing it, and it's just like, oh, my God, this record is so incredible. Like, I want her to shoot a Florida ass video for it. But anyway, the reason why I'm bringing this up is because she's gonna do it. Do cheat when you see somebody like that, right? [01:10:17] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:10:18] Speaker A: Do you ever look at it like, maybe I do you like say that you say y'all done dance before, right? [01:10:23] Speaker C: Right. [01:10:24] Speaker A: Do you try to pull dolce into your world or do you go meet her where she Athenae? Well, I always like on a collaboration. [01:10:29] Speaker C: When I collaborate with anyone, I'm just big on. There's a balance of stepping into, like it's gotta be an exchange. Like I'm about making a great record. I'm not trying to necessarily like body. [01:10:49] Speaker A: You or like, that's not true because you said when Cole got on the record, you was like, nigga, I need to, we need to fake. [01:10:55] Speaker C: Cause what I'm saying, like, like we, I need, I need that opportunity because, like me and daylight were going back and forth on a record and then it got sent to him and he like got to match that. Like, I didn't have the intention of collaborating. I wasn't intentionally collaborating with Cole. [01:11:14] Speaker A: Okay, gotcha. [01:11:14] Speaker C: If I, if I'm intentionally collaborating with you, I can approach it in that manner. [01:11:19] Speaker A: Got you. [01:11:19] Speaker C: And, and, yeah, if we, if we, if it's recognized that, yeah, this is a sparring session, I'm gonna come with that energy. But, you know, if we, you know, we pick the record, we filling it, what we gon, we bouncing ideas. What we gonna like, you know, is there a concept? Are we just going like I reciprocate it in that fashion and if we're just sparring, then we just gonna spar. If we gonna write, if we gonna come up with this shit in separate rooms, you know, saying if that's the energy, then that's the energy versus like actually making a record, which I approach differently too, you know, with a concept and, you know, chorus, you know, those type of things. If we approaching it that way, then, you know, the reciprocity is a lot. [01:12:02] Speaker A: More important with the sparring session. Cause Gina's a huge battle rap fan. [01:12:06] Speaker C: Yeah, me too. [01:12:08] Speaker A: Would you ever step in? [01:12:09] Speaker C: I battled daylight. [01:12:10] Speaker A: I'm talking about like, on my album. I'm talking about like, would you ever do a sanctioned setup like bar a URL barred out battle? Like, would you be open to that? [01:12:19] Speaker C: Oh, no. Like, not, I wouldn't get on that stage. [01:12:21] Speaker A: Why not? [01:12:23] Speaker C: Just cuz it's not. I really have, I have the utmost respect for it and I don't. I just don't feel like it would be appropriate for me to do that. [01:12:34] Speaker A: Got you. [01:12:34] Speaker C: And. But like I said, I did battle. Daylight, though. I did battle. [01:12:39] Speaker A: But you also not turning it down if somebody get out of pocket either. [01:12:42] Speaker C: Oh, no, we're not turning down no face. But, but, but I'm saying, like, but we gonna do it. We gonna do it, like, you know, off the. [01:12:49] Speaker A: On the right. On the record. [01:12:51] Speaker C: Like, we're gonna do it live. We're not. Not for URL. And then, like that. Because that's a whole art form in itself. [01:12:57] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:12:57] Speaker C: That's why I respect light for, like, you know, stepping in, like, him making music now. He's taking his time with an artist development versus just coming off as, like, a battle rapper stepping into this world like he's really painting. He's in artist development and taking his time with making music and making that transition into writing and recording and performing versus how he initially. Battle rap is a craft in its own. So to make that transition, I really. [01:13:29] Speaker B: That's actually a thing. In battle rap, too, people believe. Well, like, the battle rap consumers, it's almost as if people feel like battle rappers are unable to make music that's been. [01:13:41] Speaker C: Yeah, that's, like, a thing. And they do, too. Like, and they do. [01:13:44] Speaker B: And outside of, like, a sousurf, sue surf. [01:13:46] Speaker C: Yeah. Like, I didn't rap with Sue. I got. I got a song with sue surf. I got a song with loaded Lux. [01:13:51] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:13:52] Speaker C: I didn't dance with. [01:13:52] Speaker B: Yeah, they can do it. Charlie clips could do it. Geechie Gotti can do it. But it's, like, way more battle rappers that cannot do it versus the ones that can. [01:14:03] Speaker C: Yeah, and then, like I said, back to what I'm saying, like, we ain't gonna say they can't have, but, like, as a. From. From an artist standpoint, being on this side versus the battle rap side, like, I just, like, hope that they, you know, they step into making music respectfully, like. Like, you know, respectfully, knowing that this is a different. This is a different game. Which is why I'm saying, like, I would never, like, do a URL. I would not step in that out of respect for it. [01:14:32] Speaker B: Do you think you can memorize? I don't write three eight minute. [01:14:35] Speaker C: I don't rap raps. I don't write raps. I'm blind. [01:14:37] Speaker B: Oh, oh, oh. My bad, my bad. [01:14:41] Speaker C: It's all up here. It's no piss. [01:14:43] Speaker A: You ever forget lyrics on stage? [01:14:46] Speaker C: I mean, that'll happen, but not really, though. Yeah, not on stage. [01:14:51] Speaker A: Is there anybody that you wouldn't spar with. No, not one person? [01:14:55] Speaker C: No. I really do this for real. [01:14:57] Speaker B: You think you've been outrapped before? I was having this conversation about fabulous. [01:15:00] Speaker A: That'd be worth it. [01:15:01] Speaker B: And I said, fab ain't never been outrapped. And a nigga tried getting told me about it. You think you've been out? [01:15:06] Speaker C: Yeah. Shout out to fab, though, too. You know what I'm saying? But not be work. That be working me, man. I think I done got him a couple times, I'm sure, in my career, but that be. I think it. Like I said, man, I'll leave it, go, go to work. [01:15:19] Speaker A: Come back and you go to the show. Got you out the paint. [01:15:21] Speaker C: Come back. Time for time. [01:15:23] Speaker B: Do you alter the verse at that moment? [01:15:25] Speaker C: Time for time, I drop line for line. Only time will tell you redo the verse. No, that's just, that's just in mind. [01:15:31] Speaker A: Have you ever rewrote a verse because you got ate up? [01:15:34] Speaker C: No, that's just. I'm just up that cloth and that may, that, that could separate me from, you know, like, a better art. Like, when. No, like, I have, like, the. I follow these unwritten rules in the rap world that we have for ourselves, which may box me in. [01:15:51] Speaker A: Got you. [01:15:52] Speaker C: You feel what I'm saying? [01:15:53] Speaker A: No. [01:15:53] Speaker C: Rewriting the verses to where I don't. I do nothing. I have no, no, no gripe with anybody who does, like, get yours, man. Be the best. Come to be the best. Show up and show out. If you gotta rewrite your. Like, if you gotta do that, do that. But that's just not. I haven't done it. [01:16:11] Speaker A: Just. [01:16:11] Speaker C: That's. Cause I'm just. I'm a prisoner to my, you know, it's my. I'm an MC MC to rap, you know, saying. But I mean, I. I generally do my stuff, so, I mean, it's never been. [01:16:21] Speaker A: My last thing is, as far as, right, can you be the greatest and not write your raps? Can you be considered the best? [01:16:28] Speaker C: I am. I am the best. [01:16:29] Speaker A: No, I'm talking about, can you be. Can you, in a hip hop perspective, from a hip hop, can you be the best and not write your own raps? [01:16:35] Speaker C: Oh, not write your own raps? No, no, no, not from a hip hop. Not from an MC perspective. [01:16:40] Speaker A: Okay. [01:16:40] Speaker C: But you could be a great artist. [01:16:41] Speaker A: You could be a doe artist. Yeah. [01:16:43] Speaker C: And I have no problem with, like, I'm all about making timeless art, great music, and that, and that generally comes from a collective effort, collaboration. You got your producer you got your engineer, you got the, you know, you got your, you got your architects that you, that you rely on. Like I, like, I like I tap in with you to make sure we on point. Like I got. It's always a collective effort with me, you know what I'm saying? So even having writers is not, I'm not against that. But if we talking about emceeing. [01:17:15] Speaker A: No, you have to write your shit. [01:17:17] Speaker C: Yeah. If we talking about being a master at ceremony, a microphone checker. If we talk about that. No. We talking about hip hop. No, but as an artist, yes. [01:17:27] Speaker A: Have you ever had help with your raps? [01:17:29] Speaker C: No, but like, but with. I've taken, I've taken ideas. [01:17:41] Speaker A: Like, like nomenclature, I've been right. [01:17:43] Speaker C: I've been willing. Like as of late, as of late it was against, that's what I'm saying. Challenging myself. [01:17:49] Speaker A: Like before you wouldn't even take somebody. [01:17:52] Speaker C: Oh, that's against my religion. [01:17:53] Speaker A: Got you. [01:17:53] Speaker C: But like I'm saying, like now, like I'm, I'm open to ideas. Like I'm saying like I'm trying to, like, I like trying to completely remove my ego, remove any type of like arrogance I have and I'm like, you know, I'm, I'm blessed to be around like geniuses, man. Like Grammy award winning. You feel what I'm saying? Like, you know, top didn't created superstars. Punch didn't create a superstar. You know what I'm saying? Like soundwave bought me in. Like he, he worked with Taylor Swift. Like, I mean, you know, like it's, I'm. And I, and I have to utilize those resources, facts. I'm not going to do nothing without consulting with Doc, consulting with Q, consulting with rock. Like you feel I'm saying, like I'm not going to do nothing. Zay, you feel what I'm saying? You feel me? So that's just, that's just that you feel what I'm saying. [01:18:44] Speaker B: I was watching one of your most recent interviews and I want to commend you for your faith in God. Throughout the interview you kept saying, God is good. God is good. Can you speak to the person who does not understand how important it is to have faith? Especially like you have an amazing testimony. Why is it so important to have strong faith throughout your life and as well as like your career, man? [01:19:09] Speaker C: Because I mean, to me, I mean, like, you know, like man plans God laughs, man. Like it's gotta, like, I just, I truly feel like it's gotta be something beyond me. It's gotta be something beyond me to, you know, to still be here, period. To be able. Period. You know, I'm saying, like, and to be a. To have had this opportunity to have a voice and have a, you know, to be a part of history, it's just simply simple as being on that stage at the pop out, just to be a part of that. I'm just so. I'm so grateful. And it's got to be beyond me. It's got to be beyond me. Like, and I can't. My faith is just. My faith is, like. Is real. Like, it's not even. I'm really, like, I'm just a vessel. I'm just. I'm just. I'm just here to be of service, man, and do the Lord's work, man. Like, that's what I'm saying. That's what in. That's what hip hop is to me. Like, krs one made it a religion. Hip hop is an actual religion. He wrote the hip hop Bible. I just honestly, you know, and not undermining, you know, me, you know, literally growing up in the church, I mean, and all that I've been through and all of the studying I've done on, you know, on theology and, you know, been down the rabbit hole and conspiracy theories and all of that, it seemed to all come back. All come back to goddess, you know what I'm saying? At the end of the day, it's something that. Something that's beyond us. And it's so important to me, man. Like, God is good, man. I'd like for just. Just to even be here and be able, if, you know, my testimony or whatever. [01:21:08] Speaker A: Hey, bro, I appreciate that. [01:21:09] Speaker C: Thanks for asking that, too. [01:21:11] Speaker B: No problem. [01:21:12] Speaker A: I appreciate you, man. Like, every time it's a new situation. Every time it's bigger. Every time it's big, you got a testimony. You. You know, you done been through a lot of shit, right? You know, long live Doe. [01:21:26] Speaker C: This. [01:21:27] Speaker A: This project is a dedication to do burger. So. So the soul Burger project. What's the date again? [01:21:35] Speaker C: Do we have a date? [01:21:36] Speaker A: Yeah, he told me, you know, I'm at. [01:21:38] Speaker C: Is he. [01:21:38] Speaker A: Oh, 8th November 8. [01:21:40] Speaker C: Is Matt even in here or he in there? [01:21:42] Speaker A: He and there. [01:21:43] Speaker C: I'm thinking. I'm talking like. [01:21:45] Speaker A: That's not. [01:21:47] Speaker C: All I see is these two big ass. [01:21:49] Speaker A: So soul burger is out November 8. It's official. It's not moving. That's the focus. All that is going crazy right now. I'm playing the record. [01:22:00] Speaker C: Yes, sir. [01:22:01] Speaker A: I sent it out to hella dj's. [01:22:03] Speaker B: He dropped the Google. [01:22:04] Speaker A: Google Doc, I dropped a Google form for the DJ's. [01:22:09] Speaker C: This is the slut. And this is the slap. This is the slap that he's been talking about. [01:22:13] Speaker B: I love the campaign. It's an unintentional campaign. Right, but it's hard. [01:22:17] Speaker C: Yeah, like it started from a tweet. Just so you know. It's like it's been. We've been working this for context. Yeah. [01:22:25] Speaker A: So this one. This one for me, I know what it. I know what it means to you. A sentimental, cuz it's dope. It's sentimental because the Soul burger project, it's dope to me because it's a culmination of all of our conversations. [01:22:36] Speaker C: Correct. [01:22:36] Speaker A: And you getting outside of your comfort zone. And I appreciate you for following my lead on shit, too. You know what I'm saying? But thank you for coming through. You welcome anytime. Soul burger is out. November 8. Flush, flush. And. Oh, I got. Just say whatever you want, black hippie. Stop asking about it. Whatever. Say whatever you want to say. Cause they gonna kill me online if I don't. Nah, keep asking about it, keep asking about it. [01:23:03] Speaker B: What are we doing? [01:23:06] Speaker C: Do it. Nicki squad. [01:23:07] Speaker A: Okay, can you answer this then? [01:23:08] Speaker C: No, we do is do it. [01:23:09] Speaker A: Can you answer this? Approximately how many records exist if you had to guess? [01:23:19] Speaker C: Nobody knows. [01:23:21] Speaker A: Okay, so there you go. So there's your answer. [01:23:25] Speaker B: Y'all can't do us a disservice like that. Nah, I'll be. I hate these talented ass rappers. Holding on to good. [01:23:33] Speaker C: First of all, let me say something very important, though, too. We are. We are not talented. Everybody is talented. Not everyone is skilled. [01:23:41] Speaker B: So give me some of that skilled music y'all holding on to. [01:23:43] Speaker C: So what I'm saying is, look, probably the most historical, you know, it's called a group, but it's really a collective. I think there's a difference. The most historical group with no album. That's just beautiful in itself to me. But like I said, keep asking. [01:24:02] Speaker A: And I also want to give you props. Cause you was there from jump. And right now we celebrating 20 years of TDE, you know what I'm saying? Established 2004. Shout out to top and everybody and punch. But salute to you, too. [01:24:15] Speaker C: Cause thank you. [01:24:16] Speaker A: I think when people think of TDE, the ones who know, they think of Absol. [01:24:20] Speaker C: And like I said, it's an honor and a privilege for the opportunity, man. And it's just, you know. [01:24:27] Speaker A: Soulberger, November 8. Go get that. It's effective immediately. [01:24:30] Speaker C: Yes, sir. Solo.